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Re: What I Self Host

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Post by cma »

zahlman wrote: post #77
cma wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You'll need to port that to windows, linux, Mac, android, and ios for a typical device mix of someone doing self-hosting, and no access from more closed platforms that have a browser.

I can understand Linux programs not being easily made to work on Android, but I can't understand why I'd ever need or want a device that runs Android and a device that runs IOS. Unless they're test devices for development, but I wouldn't be using those to access services in my day-to-day life.

Think multi user households too. But many people have a few ios devices even if they primarily use android (apple tv, vision pro) and vice versa.

Re: What I Self Host

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Post by AndrewDucker »

ekjhgkejhgk wrote: post #53
zahlman wrote: post #2

There seems to be a fad for "self hosting" things now. What I don't understand is: what happened to just having a single device and having it run the code directly and show you the result directly? For example, why can't the thing that connects to the Spotify API just... do that, from a program that runs locally, independent of a web browser, with a GUI created using a standard non-web GUI toolkit? Why would I want t…

I think people don't know what they want, but they like fiddling with computers. So, they imagine future scenarios where they would have problems (which they don't) and imagine solutions for those problems they don't have, and spend time implementing those solutions. For example. Whenever RSS comes up, I say that newsboat is the best thing. People don't like it because it doesn't synchronize devices. Really? Why not…

I read RSS on my desktop when I'm at home, on my work laptop when I'm at work, and on my phone in-between. And that works perfectly. Why would I want to reduce my options?

Re: What I Self Host

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Post by conor- »

zahlman wrote: post #2

There seems to be a fad for "self hosting" things now. What I don't understand is: what happened to just having a single device and having it run the code directly and show you the result directly? For example, why can't the thing that connects to the Spotify API just... do that, from a program that runs locally, independent of a web browser, with a GUI created using a standard non-web GUI toolkit? Why would I want t…

> what happened to just having a single device and having it run the code directly and show you the result directly?

Having access to multiple computers/devices as a single user became cheap and more common. If it was still the 2000s (or maybe early 2010s) and somebody only used a single PC for most of their tasks that'd make sense, but that's just not the reality most people live anymore

Re: What I Self Host

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Post by pfych »

doublerabbit wrote: post #49

Just wait until folk hear about colocation. Been colocating for 10 years now, the best of both worlds.

I'd love to colocate some hardware but all the options near me (Sydney, Australia) are insanely expensive for no reason, how do you go about finding affordable rackspace?

Re: What I Self Host

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Post by cakeday »

teddyh wrote: post #4

I deplore this weakening and dilution of the term “self-hosting”. In my opinion, if your services had downtime today, you are not “self-hosting”. If you depend on anything which has “cloud” in its name, you are not “self-hosting”. If you cannot reasonably quickly access your hardware physically, like inserting or replacing an add-on card, you are not “self-hosting”. EDIT: It’s like saying “I don’t take the bus! I ‘se…

> In my opinion, if your services had downtime today, you are not “self-hosting”.

Zero here.

> If you depend on anything which has “cloud” in its name, you are not “self-hosting”.

Minor dependency on OCI but no down time at all for any services I run.

Re: What I Self Host

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Post by cakeday »

teddyh wrote: post #15
CaptainOfCoit wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you haven't picked together the hardware for your home server at home, can you really say that you're self-hosting? Or if you haven't really built the components yourself, are you actually self -hosting? If you cannot reasonably quickly debug your hardware faults physically, you're not "self-hosting". It seems everyone draws the line of "self-hosting" differently. For some, "self-hosting" could be running Wordpres…

> [Paraphrased] Words mean different things to different people! Anyone can choose any definition they want! No, words have quite definite meanings. Otherwise, they are not an aid to communication.

That's actually not correct at all.

Re: What I Self Host

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Post by cakeday »

teddyh wrote: post #65
QuantumNomad_ wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I rent a couple of bare-metal servers from Hetzner, and I have physical servers at home. On my home hardware I keep things like multiple copies of my photos and documents, as well as experimenting a bit with open LLMs etc. On the rented servers, I host websites, PeerTube, Forgejo, and keep copies of some data I downloaded from elsewhere. I’ve also previously hosted email on rented servers. Both on rented hardware and…

> If someone decides that a particular service is neat to host on rented servers I won’t fault them for it. Neither will I. It is an endeavor worthy of praise. > And I consider things that you manage on your own to be self-hosted even if you don’t own the hardware it’s running on. This is where I will disagree and stand fast. If you do not “host” it yourself, you are not “self-hosting”. You might be maintaining it. Y…

> This is where I will disagree and stand fast.

You're welcome to do that but you're wrong as far as the majority of selfhosters are concerned. Spend time on https://www.reddit.com/r/selfhosted/ for more information about how widely people define it.

Re: What I Self Host

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Post by ekjhgkejhgk »

npodbielski wrote: post #70
ekjhgkejhgk wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think people don't know what they want, but they like fiddling with computers. So, they imagine future scenarios where they would have problems (which they don't) and imagine solutions for those problems they don't have, and spend time implementing those solutions. For example. Whenever RSS comes up, I say that newsboat is the best thing. People don't like it because it doesn't synchronize devices. Really? Why not…

Maybe for some. But for me I do not want giant corp own my data. Like I do give keys to my house to some company or I do not have people manage my own money. Just as a principle.

newsboat doesn't give anyone any data.

Re: What I Self Host

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Post by tetrisgm »

sh3rl0ck wrote: post #31
tetrisgm wrote: post #13

Self hosting is great. The examples in this article are not exactly shining examples: an API that shows your Spotify stats? If we’re going to talk about self hosting music, I’d like to mention Roon, which is loved by audiophiles. It aims at creating a magazine like experience for navigating and discovering music. Been using it since COVID and it’s completely transformed my experience of listening to something else th…

The fact that it's a subscription is slightly off putting. Loved the UI photos, but I guess I'll continue with Navidrome + Feishin/Symfonium.

I bought the lifetime membership half a decade ago and never looked back. It's a bit like the Plex one in that sense.

Re: What I Self Host

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Post by tetrisgm »

throwaway270925 wrote: post #40
tetrisgm wrote: post #13

Self hosting is great. The examples in this article are not exactly shining examples: an API that shows your Spotify stats? If we’re going to talk about self hosting music, I’d like to mention Roon, which is loved by audiophiles. It aims at creating a magazine like experience for navigating and discovering music. Been using it since COVID and it’s completely transformed my experience of listening to something else th…

How is this Roon selfhosting when its 14,99€/m? Isnt this just another Streaming Service?

You can self host a server on your machine, and buy a license for it. Not all software you run on your own machine has to be open source. See: Plex for example.
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