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US falls out of 10 most powerful passports list for first time in 20 yrs

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Post by Argonaut998 »

rayiner wrote: post #65
Argonaut998 wrote: post #55

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There are no ethnostates in Europe anymore unfortunately. Every European city is indistinguishable from New York these days

I can’t get Italian or Irish citizenship because I’m ethnically Bangladeshi. Many Americans, however, can get Italian or Irish citizenship, because they have grandparents born in those countries. Virtually all of these people are ethnically Irish or Italian—who else has grandparents born in Ireland or Italy? They are de facto ethnostates. I certainly don’t begrudge them that—I’m grateful my people have their ethnosta…

I am Irish, we are not an ethnostate whatsoever. Truthfully I don’t know why we have citizenship by descent but Irish people roll their eyes at Americans with Irish ancestry.

It’s not about ethnicity though, it’s familial lineage. If your grandfather was Bangladeshi and moved to Ireland and was a citizen, then his descendants moved to the US, they would be entitled to Irish citizenship.

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Post by rayiner »

Argonaut998 wrote: post #81
rayiner wrote: post #65

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I can’t get Italian or Irish citizenship because I’m ethnically Bangladeshi. Many Americans, however, can get Italian or Irish citizenship, because they have grandparents born in those countries. Virtually all of these people are ethnically Irish or Italian—who else has grandparents born in Ireland or Italy? They are de facto ethnostates. I certainly don’t begrudge them that—I’m grateful my people have their ethnosta…

I am Irish, we are not an ethnostate whatsoever. Truthfully I don’t know why we have citizenship by descent but Irish people roll their eyes at Americans with Irish ancestry. It’s not about ethnicity though, it’s familial lineage. If your grandfather was Bangladeshi and moved to Ireland and was a citizen, then his descendants moved to the US, they would be entitled to Irish citizenship.

Ireland is a homeland for Irish people. That was the whole point of the country. The same is true for my country. It was something achieved at great cost for the sake of a people.

How many Bangladeshis had Irish citizenship in 1950? Almost none. Ireland was 87% Irish as recently as 2006, probably more if you exclude residents with UK citizenship. Virtually anyone who doesn’t have Irish citizenship but whose grandparents did have Irish citizenship is ethnically Irish. For most European countries, there is no difference between “ethnicity” and “familial lineage” until recently.

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Post by lancewiggs »

ashleyn wrote: post #41
futureshock wrote: post #32

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I’ll borrow ideas from investing: financial independence, diversification and optionality. If you have enough money you can free yourself from the labor market, but you are still deeply tied to your home country. A second citizenship gives you geopolitical independence. And just like diverse investments protect you from the failure of a specific asset, diverse countries can protect you from, for example, a collapse i…

What would be the most realistic and best option for a second visa for someone with a ~$1-3MM net worth?

The New Zealand Active Investor Plus resident program requires $5m NZD, which is under $3m USD, but that would take everything. There is another program mooted where you buy a business for less than that.

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Post by lucyjojo »

keiferski wrote: post #44
BirAdam wrote: post #6

I agree that Dual Citizenship is a dream among a large plurality of Americans, but I don’t think it’s for Visa-free tourism. I think it’s because a growing number of Americans feel that the country is unstable and likely headed toward a failed-state status.

Yeah as an American that has been living abroad for a decade and will be a dual citizen soon: I don’t agree with that take at all. The vast majority of people in the US still see their future in the US. Dual citizenship, much less actually living abroad, is still an extremely niche topic and basically only a thing amongst upper middle class and above professionals and tech workers. And as chaotic and concerning as ma…

just an anecdote, but i've seen (in the last few years) more and more "move abroad, where and how" kind of youtube videos in the black american community, with sometimes some kind of consultancy service attached.

it's definitely not big numbers but it is starting to get in the common black zeitgeist i guess. to some extent.

lots of little channels like this popping up

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8HplzpcXoE

i semi-expect one big channel to come out of in the next 4-5 years, and you might start to see some kind of real traction at that point.

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Post by CyberDildonics »

rayiner wrote: post #77
CyberDildonics wrote: post #76

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Why are you so focused on race and ethnicity?

I’m a third worlder who knows how dangerous ethnic identity is. And after never thinking about race growing up, we suffered a cultural revolution in America. I was declared a “people of color” and now my daughter’s middle school has racially segregated affinity groups: > Middle School Affinity Groups: BIPOC, Black Girl Magic, Neurodiversity and Disabled Alliance, Rainbow Affinity, Young Men of Color Affinity

What does this have to do with europe being an "ethnostate" ? What in the world are you even talking about?

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Post by zoklet-enjoyer »

aaronrobinson wrote: post #34
zoklet-enjoyer wrote: post #26

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It looks like a huge hassle, but I should be able to get citizenship in an EU county based on ancestry. I should do that sooner than later.

If it’s Italy you may be disappointed as they’ve recently changed the rules

My mom's dad was from Italy and her mom from Germany. I want to try for German citizenship. It looks like I'm eligible based on what I saw online. Previously I had looked into Italian citizenship and found that I wasn't eligible because my grandpa had become an American before my mom was born

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Post by sojournerc »

whycome wrote: post #66
sojournerc wrote: post #48

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Having recently traveled through the UK as a US citizen, it was a 5 minute process in an app. Nothing to be concerned about. Honduras, where I travel frequently, already does fingerprints as the EU is about to do. It's just not a big deal or a barrier to travel. Currently going from Scandinavia to Northern continental Europe and it couldn't be easier. So much FUD for so little change.

Do you think it’s a 5 min process for everyone?

Yes, as long as your face matches the one in your passport, I don't see why it wouldn't.

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Post by rayiner »

CyberDildonics wrote: post #85
rayiner wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m a third worlder who knows how dangerous ethnic identity is. And after never thinking about race growing up, we suffered a cultural revolution in America. I was declared a “people of color” and now my daughter’s middle school has racially segregated affinity groups: > Middle School Affinity Groups: BIPOC, Black Girl Magic, Neurodiversity and Disabled Alliance, Rainbow Affinity, Young Men of Color Affinity

What does this have to do with europe being an "ethnostate" ? What in the world are you even talking about?

Are you American?

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Post by sizzle »

keiferski wrote: post #44
BirAdam wrote: post #6

I agree that Dual Citizenship is a dream among a large plurality of Americans, but I don’t think it’s for Visa-free tourism. I think it’s because a growing number of Americans feel that the country is unstable and likely headed toward a failed-state status.

Yeah as an American that has been living abroad for a decade and will be a dual citizen soon: I don’t agree with that take at all. The vast majority of people in the US still see their future in the US. Dual citizenship, much less actually living abroad, is still an extremely niche topic and basically only a thing amongst upper middle class and above professionals and tech workers. And as chaotic and concerning as ma…

Mutually assured destruction is a hell of a concept

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Post by HaZeust »

sizzle wrote: post #89
keiferski wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah as an American that has been living abroad for a decade and will be a dual citizen soon: I don’t agree with that take at all. The vast majority of people in the US still see their future in the US. Dual citizenship, much less actually living abroad, is still an extremely niche topic and basically only a thing amongst upper middle class and above professionals and tech workers. And as chaotic and concerning as ma…

Mutually assured destruction is a hell of a concept

It's the most empowering thing in the status quo; when a check and a balance from one entity to another is mutually-existential, it keeps things at a pretty steady pace.

M.A.D should be practiced in policy more often, without having leverage - there's no reason to represent you.

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