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Windows 10 refugees flock to Linux in what devs call their "biggest launch"

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Re: Windows 10 refugees flock to Linux in what devs call their "biggest launch"

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Post by skeledrew »

esperent wrote: post #4

I'm one of these people. Although it was a several years long plan for me, which involved learning new software (especially 3DS Max to Blender). I finally decided to bite the bullet around 8 weeks ago. Backed up everything, wiped Windows, installed Ubuntu. I wouldn't says it's been smooth sailing. I've had a ton of technical issues which are not all resolved (I still can't get my laptop to wake from sleep, I have to…

I had issues as well when I was attempting to transition over 15 years ago. Made a few false starts trying to use Ubuntu. What eventually did it for me was switching to Zorin OS for a few months, and then Kubuntu which I've been on ever since (back then, and I suspect even now, Ubuntu had limits primarily stemming from software principles, such as no mp3 support) without issue.

Re: Windows 10 refugees flock to Linux in what devs call their "biggest launch"

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Post by mvdtnz »

throw748494 wrote: post #31
markus_zhang wrote: post #22

IMO the best way for Linux to win is to advocate it to your kids. People usually stick to whatever they learned and played with during childhood, and if we can make a whole generation Linux aware, not as a server but as a desktop, then the time of Linux desktop is foreseeable. Instead of poaching to the adults, poach it to the kids. Tell them stories of hackers, etc. We can also volunteer in schools for a few session…

>People usually stick to whatever they learned and played with during childhood Any source for this? I grown on Atari, DOS and Windows. Most kids today are on mobile or consoles. Linux does not need advertising, it is by far the best option from point of hardware selection, development, gaming and ease of use.

> Linux does not need advertising, it is by far the best option from point of hardware selection, development, gaming and ease of use.

Gaming? No. Hardware selection? Lol absolutely not.

Re: Windows 10 refugees flock to Linux in what devs call their "biggest launch"

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Post by newdee »

spacechild1 wrote: post #58
sylens wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is even more important now as younger generations are just given iPads and other locked down devices, to the point where they have to learn how to navigate a file system in their introductory university courses.

> to the point where they have to learn how to navigate a file system in their introductory university courses. What happened to IT lessons at school? I had IT starting at the age of 13 onwards, and that was in the early 2000s. By the time you graduated from school, you were guaranteed to have at least basic IT skills.

My IT lessons in the 90s were “here’s how to use spreadsheets and Microsoft office”. It wasn’t until later that I was taught programming and other more foundational concepts that would take me beyond being an office worker that knew how to format and print a letter. Fortunately, I had computers at home and my parents encouraged me to learn how they worked.

Re: Windows 10 refugees flock to Linux in what devs call their "biggest launch"

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Post by somewhereoutth »

onli wrote: post #54
somewhereoutth wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ah I think what is happening is that a brand new laptop may not have had its drivers added to the latest download/image version of your chosen distro. Hence the need to connect and update to get those drivers. For me, it was a ThinkPad X1 Gen 11 and Mint 21.2 (MATE) about a year ago.

Yeah, absolutely. And with very new hardware it absolutely depends on the distro as well, how new the kernel is. > Linux Mint 21.2 features a Linux kernel 5.15 and an Ubuntu Jammy package base. That's from Oct. 2021, so it wasn't new a year ago.

Ah indeed - actually 2 years ago. I believe 21.2 (Victoria) was released in 2023:

https://tuxcare.com/blog/is-linux-mint-based-on-ubuntu/

Doesn't time fly!

Re: Windows 10 refugees flock to Linux in what devs call their "biggest launch"

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Post by osigurdson »

CaptainOfCoit wrote: post #74
osigurdson wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, only containerized things need to be in a container. For everything else you are just using Windows except it feels more Linux like with git bash and has most basic Linux tools. If you need to run a container it is a lot more like it is on Linux podman container run ... right in your Windows shell (git bash in my case). This does things behind the scenes with a podman WSL image but it is mostly seamless. I do act…

> No, only containerized things need to be in a container. For everything else you are just using Windows except it feels more Linux like with git bash and has most basic Linux tools. But developer focused software is trash on Windows, if I want to remain productive I need a Linux environment so I can just run stuff without having to fuck around to configure it for Windows and what not.

Maybe but curious as to what you mean by developer focused software.

Re: Windows 10 refugees flock to Linux in what devs call their "biggest launch"

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Post by osigurdson »

wltr wrote: post #78
osigurdson wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Still, I wouldn't stress about throwing things out. Stress about initial purchases instead.

So, if you have money, you can throw away as much as you can, right? I have bought loads of Apple tech during 2010s and all of it is trash. Every iPhone (e.g. models from 4 to 7) costs tens of dollars today, down from a thousand. Not only that, they’re basically useless. I have a few iPads 3 (the first one with Retina display), and it’s perfectly fine display, but VLC is the only app that works with it. Also, you can…

That is what I mean, stress about the impact at the time of purchase, not at disposal time.

After that, don't stress at all. As you say, you had no idea at the time of purchase, so toss it in the dump and move on.

Re: Windows 10 refugees flock to Linux in what devs call their "biggest launch"

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Post by em-bee »

netsharc wrote: post #9
MeteorMarc wrote: post #6

Lots of "obsolete" Pc's are perfectly able to run W11, only missing the blessings from Redmond.

I wish I could also live in a planet where throwing away perfectly good PCs is fine and there's no looming climate-change-induced destruction...

you can donate them: https://labdoo.org/ this organization distributes donated laptops with linux all over the world.

Re: Windows 10 refugees flock to Linux in what devs call their "biggest launch"

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Post by rolph »

markus_zhang wrote: post #22

IMO the best way for Linux to win is to advocate it to your kids. People usually stick to whatever they learned and played with during childhood, and if we can make a whole generation Linux aware, not as a server but as a desktop, then the time of Linux desktop is foreseeable. Instead of poaching to the adults, poach it to the kids. Tell them stories of hackers, etc. We can also volunteer in schools for a few session…

give them a dual boot machine, tell them linux is the secret superpower partition, windows partition is so you can move amongst the normies.

demonstrate how linux faithfully executes your commands when windows tells you its too dangerous or insecure.

Re: Windows 10 refugees flock to Linux in what devs call their "biggest launch"

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Post by jope12 »

herbst wrote: post #2

Is anyone here even still using Windows in a professional way?

I cannot work productively with Linux because there are no Linux alternatives to the following Windows tools (and the 'alternatives' people tell me about are a sad joke):

* AutoHotkey

* Voidtools Everything

* Agent Ransack

* Irfanview

Re: Windows 10 refugees flock to Linux in what devs call their "biggest launch"

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Post by Fire-Dragon-DoL »

markus_zhang wrote: post #22

IMO the best way for Linux to win is to advocate it to your kids. People usually stick to whatever they learned and played with during childhood, and if we can make a whole generation Linux aware, not as a server but as a desktop, then the time of Linux desktop is foreseeable. Instead of poaching to the adults, poach it to the kids. Tell them stories of hackers, etc. We can also volunteer in schools for a few session…

Agree It drives me nuts that at school they give them tablet rather than pcs. All the work happens on pcs, not tablets.

My kids have kubuntu on some old laptops and will have linux everywhere. Hopefully it is ok to maintain that,I'm afraid of school forcing incompatible software

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