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Re: Migrating from AWS to Hetzner

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Post by kachapopopow »

This is pretty bad still, with colocation you can get the costs down to 1/100th with good deals at datacenters especially ones that are struggling to attract customers. Most of your bill is power so if you rack efficiency optimized servers you can have a lot of compute for very cheap.

In terms of networking many offer no-headache solutions with some kind of transit blend.

I recently had to switch away from hetzner due to random dhclient failures causing connectivity loss once ip's expired, complete failure of the loadbalancer - stopped forwarding traffic for around 6 hours and the worst part is that there was no acknoledgement from hetzner about any of these issues so at some point I was going insane over trying to find what is the issue when in the end it was hetzner. (US VA region)

Re: Migrating from AWS to Hetzner

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Post by littlecranky67 »

naiv wrote: post #75

Just yesterday they released a new 'Shared regular performance' offering https://www.hetzner.com/cloud/

Thanks for that link. It seems with that introduction, they also lowered prices on the dedicated-core on their vservers - at least I was paying 15€/month and now they seem to offer it for 12€/month. I will try to see if shared performance is an option for the future.

Re: Migrating from AWS to Hetzner

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Post by jedisct1 »

Of course.

A dedicated server or VPS from OVH, Hetzner, Scaleway, etc., or even Docker containers on Koyeb, will give you way more bang for your buck.

Call me a dinosaur, but I’ve never used any of the big cloud providers like AWS. They’re super expensive, and it’s hard to know what you’ll actually end up paying at the end of the month.

Re: Migrating from AWS to Hetzner

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Post by dizhn »

CaptainOfCoit wrote: post #44
eahm wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I recently rediscovered this website that might help: https://vpspricetracker.com Too cool to not share, most of the providers listed there have dedicated servers too.

Great website, but what a blunder to display the results as "cards" rather than a good old table so you can scan the results rather than having to actually read it. Makes it really hard to quickly find what you're looking for... Edit: Ironically, that website doesn't have Hetzner in their index.

That is weird indeed. But I bet you are getting Hetzner results indirectly through resellers :) (Yeah I checked one Frankfurt based datacenter named FS1 - probably for Falkenstein. They might be colo or another datacenter there of course)

Re: Migrating from AWS to Hetzner

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Post by e12e »

Very interesting and detailed article!

I'd love to hear more about how you use terraform and helm together.

Currently our major friction in ops is using tofu (terraform) to manage K8s resources. Avoiding yaml is great - but both terraform and K8s maintaining state makes the deployment of helm from terraform feel fragile; and vice-versa depending on helm directly in a mostly terraform setup also feels fragile.

Re: Migrating from AWS to Hetzner

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Post by sergioisidoro »

I really liked Hetzner but I got burned by one issue. I had some personal projects running there and the payment method failed. Automated email communications also failed among so much spam and email notifications I receive, and when I noticed the problem they had wiped all my data without possibility of recovery.

It was a wake up moment for me about keeping billing in shape, but also made me understand that a cloud provider is as good as their support and communications when things go south. Like an automated SMS would be great before you destroy my entire work. But because they are so cheap, they probably can't do that for every 100$/month account.

I've had similar issues with AWS, but they will have much friendlier grace periods.

Re: Migrating from AWS to Hetzner

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Post by codethief »

lisperforlife wrote: post #11

I think you can get much farther with dedicated servers. I run a couple of nodes on Hetzner. The performance you get from a dedicated machine even if it is a 3 year old machine that you can get on server auction is absolutely bonkers and cannot be compared to VMs. The thing is that most of the server hardware is focused towards high core count, low clock speed processors that optimize for I/O rather than compute. It…

> I would love to know if they are any north-american (particularly canadian) companies that can compete with price and the quality of service like Hetzner

FWIW, Hetzner has two data centers in the US, in case you're just looking for "Hetzner quality but in the US", not for "American/Canadian companies similar to Hetzner".

Re: Migrating from AWS to Hetzner

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Post by eric_khun »

CaptainOfCoit wrote: post #68
eric_khun wrote: post #38

AWS won't raise the limits on our new account (we're stuck at 1GB RAM in Lightsail after 2 months, even though we need to launch this month). Looking at Hetzner or Vultr as alternatives. A few folks mentioned me Infomaniak has great service and uptime, but I haven't heard much about them otherwise. Anyone used Infomaniak in production? How do they compare to Hetzner/Vultr?

Just curious, what are you building/launching that requires more than 1GB of RAM at launch? 1GB is a lot of memory for most use cases, guessing something involving graphics or maybe simulations? In those cases, dedicated instances with proper hardware will give you enormous performance benefits, FYI. Both Vultr and Hetzner are solid options, I'd go for Hetzner if I know the users are around Europe or close to it, and…

appreciate the advice! Launching a 2D game generator with an editor, and expecting those people to share the games . Not multiplayer yet.

The lightsail instance sometimes just hangs and we have to reboot it when people performing simple action like login or queryng API (we have a simple express / nextjs app)

Re: Migrating from AWS to Hetzner

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Post by lossolo »

lisperforlife wrote: post #11

I think you can get much farther with dedicated servers. I run a couple of nodes on Hetzner. The performance you get from a dedicated machine even if it is a 3 year old machine that you can get on server auction is absolutely bonkers and cannot be compared to VMs. The thing is that most of the server hardware is focused towards high core count, low clock speed processors that optimize for I/O rather than compute. It…

I've been using dedicated servers for 20 years. Here's my top list:

Hetzner, OVH, Leaseweb, and Scaleway (EU locations only).

I've used other providers as well, but I won't mention them because they were either too small or had issues.

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