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Re: Amazon’s Ring to partner with Flock

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Post by lan321 »

CaptainOfCoit wrote: post #41
gosub100 wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's the government that wants unchecked power, no matter what. This is why people support the 2A, and why it was the 2nd most important thing to those who founded the country.

> It's the government that wants unchecked power, no matter what. "The Government" is not a entity with "wants" or "needs", it's a collection of people with their own motivations. Motivations that usually end up being about power or money, or a combination, because the people who end up in the government are capitalists. > why it was the 2nd most important thing to those I mean, not really? The 2nd amendment includes…

>"The Government" is not a entity with "wants" or "needs", it's a collection of people with their own motivations. Motivations that usually end up being about power or money, or a combination, because the people who end up in the government are capitalists.

The main issue is that its power only grows. No one sane would propose to reduce his influence and/or make his job harder and everyone has ideas on how to make his job easier. It's not about capitalism, communism or anything else. The only thing that plays a role is how many somewhat independent influence blocks you have and whether you have a system to stop the power creep and 'we only have to vote it in once' problem.

And it's not even strictly about 'easier' from the perspective of the worker. I imagine if you deal with police work and such spying probably seems a lot more reasonable since you're very exposed to the bad part of society, which does skew your view of the world, no matter how rational you think you are.

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Post by endymion-light »

shrubble wrote: post #43

When you take this info and combine it with the ability of Wifi7 routers to "see" where people are in their house, you realize that the recent demo of Anduril's helmet that gives an information display that the soldier/cop wearing it can use to "see who is in the house" or "see around corners" etc. is not sci-fi but instead, something they can do today.

In reality - I think this will be far worse than that. Why send in an expensive soldiers or a cop when you could just filter in a drone

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Post by einrealist »

everdrive wrote: post #12

George Orwell really never could have imagined that people would flock to purchase or otherwise use the methods of their own surveillance. (smart phones, social media, smart cameras, modern cars, etc) I think it paints government surveillance policies in something of a different light. There is definitely a constituency which believes that the evil central government is pushing for surveillance in a purely unilateral…

And don't forget the AI companies. People are happy to send their highly personal information (and company secrets) to them so that a chatbot can use it. Didn't OpenAI just announce a porn feature?

OpenAI is receiving far more data with a far greater privacy impact than social networks. And all this is happening at a time when the US is transitioning from a somewhat functioning democracy to an autocratic and fascist system.

https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/chatgpt-pa...

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Post by dv_dt »

CaptainOfCoit wrote: post #72
shrubble wrote: post #43

When you take this info and combine it with the ability of Wifi7 routers to "see" where people are in their house, you realize that the recent demo of Anduril's helmet that gives an information display that the soldier/cop wearing it can use to "see who is in the house" or "see around corners" etc. is not sci-fi but instead, something they can do today.

I hate that all our favorite sci-fi books were used as manuals for what to build next, instead of trying to avoid creating those futures in our real lives.

Read more Solarpunk? From a writers standpoint though, I suspect its easier to weave a dramatic plot through a dystopic background than a more optimistic one

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Post by cyanydeez »

CaptainOfCoit wrote: post #72
shrubble wrote: post #43

When you take this info and combine it with the ability of Wifi7 routers to "see" where people are in their house, you realize that the recent demo of Anduril's helmet that gives an information display that the soldier/cop wearing it can use to "see who is in the house" or "see around corners" etc. is not sci-fi but instead, something they can do today.

I hate that all our favorite sci-fi books were used as manuals for what to build next, instead of trying to avoid creating those futures in our real lives.

Whats important to understand about the indeterminacy of peoples minds is that if we could read each others thoughts, we would be vulnerable.

Now with the written word and how seemingly determinant people are in large numbers we are again super vulnerable.

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Post by nbngeorcjhe »

mikkupikku wrote: post #30
Aachen wrote: post #14

These are mappable in OpenStreetMap with the tags surveillance:type=camera + camera:mount=doorbell Data query around the Netherlands shows about a hundred are mapped so far as specifically doorbell cameras: https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/2dQw (the tag does not yet seem established in the USA). There are also many thousands of cameras mapped that are either not doorbell-mounted, or simply not tagged to such detail. This…

Seems like a fairly impractical thing to map unless you're getting volunteers to walk up to and inspect people's front doors. I know there is an app for a sort of gamified version of this where people take tasks to verify street signs or even how many stories a building has, I used that app for a while, but doorbell mapping seems a lot leas casual.

apparently Ring LLC has their own OUI [0]. I wonder if you could wardrive around and identify cameras by their MAC address

[0] https://maclookup.app/vendors/ring-llc

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Post by comboy »

bryancoxwell wrote: post #8

Might be a good time to enable E2EE on your Ring cams if you haven’t already: https://ring.com/support/articles/7e3lk/using-video-end-to-e...

Just keep your cameras on separate vlan and access through eg. wireguard. Any company can have the best intentions but gov can just come to them, tell them to implement whatever is needed - even if that means lying to their users - and have access to everything. Probably even with plausible deniability for all parties involved, but not sure anyone even still cares about that.
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