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Re: Apple Vision Pro upgraded with M5 chip

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Post by lynndotpy »

DennisP wrote: post #23

I was super interested in the Vision Pro when it was first released. Then I found out they went with an app model and the device could only display a single MacOS window. There went my dream of surrounding myself with a bunch of vim windows and terminals. If they'd focused on maximizing the device's usefulness instead of its revenue stream, maybe things would have worked out better.

My sentiments exactly. This would be such an easy purchase to justify if it weren't just a toy-- no other VR headset touts to display text so crisply. But instead, their only market demographic are people who really enjoy going to theaters alone.

I'm very eagerly looking forward to Valve's headset coming out.

Re: Apple Vision Pro upgraded with M5 chip

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Post by tetrisgm »

I love my first gen Apple Vision Pro. I find that most of the criticism isn’t addressed at the product and technology, but at the price and Apple’s strategy.

Price will go down in five years, once the tech mature la. For now this is a bit like how the Oculus DK1 was. An early device to explore what the overall vision is about, and figure out the apps.

Re: Apple Vision Pro upgraded with M5 chip

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Post by casey2 »

cubefox wrote: post #35
noveltyaccount wrote: post #13

It's still crazy to me that they put an M5 chip in this thing, but to run Mac apps you need a Mac. Just let the face computer be a computer!

Speaking of which, Apple could probably support Mac apps on modern iPhones if you plug it into an external monitor. I assume they aren't doing it because it would cannibalize their laptop market.

Not probably, definitely. Nobody wants that of course because it would mean hiring real developers over friends/family. A19 pro is already faster than modern desktop chips let alone something from a few years ago. Almost all their mac software was designed for much more modest machines.

Re: Apple Vision Pro upgraded with M5 chip

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Post by Lio »

basisword wrote: post #67
kibwen wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple is not in the business of selling productivity software. Even their desktops/MacOS segment is an insignificant historical afterthought by now. To a first approximation, Apple is a manufacturer of locked-down handheld entertainment appliances whose primary function is to psychologically condition children into siphoning off money from their inattentive parents. There's no reason to suspect their vision for the A…

Every company I've worked at in the last 15-20 years has run fully on Mac. First it was the designers, then the devs, and now everyone. I used Windows for years and have some experience with various Linux distros, but if I joined a company that made me use either of those full-time I'd immediately start looking for another job.

Yep I've just joined, via aquisition, a company that runs remote Windows desktops you have to access using whatever Remote Desktop is now called.

I've not seen a professional desktop operating system show you adverts and click bait during worktime before and I am not impressed.

I'm taking it as an alarm bell that I should get out as soon as I can. For me and what I do, macOS or Linux are my platforms of choice.

Re: Apple Vision Pro upgraded with M5 chip

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Post by zamadatix »

ceejayoz wrote: post #25
hu3 wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They didn't said that.

"$3.5k for 256 GB is extreme" 256GB is $3499; 512GB is $3699; 1TB is $3899. You're paying ~$200 for that storage.

I think the meaning was meant more as a `Nobody would intend to buy a new sports car with 14" wheels, but they sure love to advertise the price lower prices for sports cars by making a trim that way` type statement than "gee, $3,500 for an SSD!". Edit: the clarity edit of the original seems to agree.

Apple's SSDs are actually priced a bit silly though, but I think that's a different discussion. It was significantly cheaper/GB to upgrade my M4 Mac Mini's internal SSD via 3rd party despite the performance being the same (if not better) than 1st party.

Re: Apple Vision Pro upgraded with M5 chip

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Post by akamaka »

> With M5, Apple Vision Pro renders 10 percent more pixels with the micro-OLED displays

I found this little piece of information interesting. Apparently the display on the Vision Pro has such high resolution that they reduce the detail of the rendering. I don’t think I’ve ever seen that reported before. It means that an even higher quality display is still far in the future, since the silicon to push that many pixels isn’t quite ready.

Re: Apple Vision Pro upgraded with M5 chip

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Post by epolanski »

CaptainOfCoit wrote: post #26
geerlingguy wrote: post #21

I have yet to see one of these things in person. Granted, I only see a VR headset like four times a year, but nobody I know bought a Vision Pro either, whereas I know a few dozen people with other headsets.

Similar to when the iPhone first appeared, remember it was really uncommon where I live and the first time I held one was while visiting France. But it was a rare item at first as well, not sure that tells us anything about how useful it is/can be.

Just because many products didn't impress at first and did well later, doesn't matter you can ignore that the opposite is even more frequent.

But yours, is especially an apples and oranges comparison.

The original iPhone was a flawed internet-less take on a thriving exploding market (mobile).

VR's market just questionable.

Re: Apple Vision Pro upgraded with M5 chip

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Post by bombcar »

wlesieutre wrote: post #75
bombcar wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The reaction from the ATP guys is a solid "meh"; apparently it's pretty well done and nice, but not really "worth it." And one of them bought a fully-loaded Mac Pro, so they're not immune to the Apple Distortion Field.

FWIW wasn't that Mac Pro in the era where the Mac Pro was useful and had bigger CPU/RAM options than other models? Or did he do it again when the Mac Studio exists?

Yeah, it was the last of the real big Xeon-based ones, which had its reasons to exist.

Still a very pricey machine.

Re: Apple Vision Pro upgraded with M5 chip

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Post by ErneX »

akamaka wrote: post #87

> With M5, Apple Vision Pro renders 10 percent more pixels with the micro-OLED displays I found this little piece of information interesting. Apparently the display on the Vision Pro has such high resolution that they reduce the detail of the rendering. I don’t think I’ve ever seen that reported before. It means that an even higher quality display is still far in the future, since the silicon to push that many pixels…

I think it also does foveated rendering, it detects where you are gazing and renders that area at a higher res than the periphery.
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