they seem to have omitted the scenarios where the newly unemployable electorate turn on them
They just know it's not going to happen
Preparing for AI's economic impact: exploring policy responses
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Re: Preparing for AI's economic impact: exploring policy responses
#82Earlier quoted context omitted.
OK. Now I understand where you’re coming from. You are using an analogy to insect groups with the term eusocial, which is defined as “cooperative brood care (including care of offspring from other individuals), overlapping generations within a colony of adults, and a division of labor into reproductive and non-reproductive groups.” Not sure I would use the word organized to describe this though. It actually sounds mo…
Yes you nailed it! Thanks for the thoughtful response. > I just don’t think it’s a realistic expectation to expect this at the global scale. This is exactly my point. We dont have the biology for it - mammals don’t have eusocial traits because we’re too complex and egocentric, to the extent that game theoretic defections are individually risky but can have individual benefits. A group of soldier ants can’t start thei…
Maybe with your research into social patterns of nature, you can figure out a way around this issue or at least approaches that might work to increase the social transaction depth for humans.
I wonder, though, whether the issue with humans coming together on a global basis for common issues like labor, has less to do with cerebellum size (or individual weakness) and more to do with active interference from governments and corporations to prevent these alliances from forming.
If people are upset and angry about more fringe issues, it is possible to distract them from the impactful issues they may agree on like wage growth, education, healthcare. I believe until people start to realize this tactic and recognize it and counteract it, the average human will continue to lose ground.
Re: Preparing for AI's economic impact: exploring policy responses
#83If you write policy about AI you're doing it wrong. AI is an implementation, but policies must be written for outcomes. Discrimination by law enforcement, exclusion from loan approval, bad moderation on social networking, cheating on exams, creating fake news or media about people, swallowing up user data... all the negative social impact of AI can be achieved without it, and much of it is already illegal anyway. Leg…
One outcome which is not unique to AI, but fairly exclusive: The value of human cognitive labor eventually drops below subsistence income. This isn't here, yet; but it's a hard problem so we should be devoting substantial resources to solutions before it hits.
The majority of the human population lives in desperate poverty. Here in the US, many, many people are barely able to afford basic necessities. This has been the status quo for many years, and the political establishment shows little interest in changing it. What makes you believe that this will change if/when office workers are made similarly impoverished?
Re: Preparing for AI's economic impact: exploring policy responses
#84Earlier quoted context omitted.
One outcome which is not unique to AI, but fairly exclusive: The value of human cognitive labor eventually drops below subsistence income. This isn't here, yet; but it's a hard problem so we should be devoting substantial resources to solutions before it hits.
The majority of the human population lives in desperate poverty. Here in the US, many, many people are barely able to afford basic necessities. This has been the status quo for many years, and the political establishment shows little interest in changing it. What makes you believe that this will change if/when office workers are made similarly impoverished?
By "we should be devoting substantial resources to finding solutions" I meant that I don't believe policies will adapt to address the problem when it arises. I believe that humanity will shift all cognitive labor to AI it can't predict or control, then be disempowered, then die out; including the political establishment and capital owners. And that's bad!
Re: Preparing for AI's economic impact: exploring policy responses
#85Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes you nailed it! Thanks for the thoughtful response. > I just don’t think it’s a realistic expectation to expect this at the global scale. This is exactly my point. We dont have the biology for it - mammals don’t have eusocial traits because we’re too complex and egocentric, to the extent that game theoretic defections are individually risky but can have individual benefits. A group of soldier ants can’t start thei…
Maybe with your research into social patterns of nature, you can figure out a way around this issue or at least approaches that might work to increase the social transaction depth for humans. I wonder, though, whether the issue with humans coming together on a global basis for common issues like labor, has less to do with cerebellum size (or individual weakness) and more to do with active interference from government…
>increase the social transaction depth for humans.
Unfortunately my conclusion is that the root issue is the biological limit and unless you can increase dunbar number from 150 to 8 billion it’s not going to matter what other structures exist
It would require:
1. Enthusiastic, voluntary subordination of every individual to a collective goal 2. Zero defectors 3. All information and processing would be collective
Ultimately it would be an entirely different species that looks like the Borg from Star Trek
Fwiw that’s basically what I’m building at our company