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Re: Modern Linux tools

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Post by Hackbraten »

lucasoshiro wrote: post #23
0x37 wrote: post #9

These may be objectively superior (I haven't tested), but I have come to realize (like so many others) that if you ever change your OS installation, set up VMs, or SSH anywhere, preferring these is just an uphill battle that never ends. I don't want to have to set these up in every new environment I operate in, or even use a mix of these on my personal computer and the traditional ones elsewhere. Learn the classic to…

> that if you ever change your OS installation apt-get/pacman/dnf/brew install You'll need install those and other tools (your favorite browser, you favorite text editor, etc) anyway if you're changing your OS. > or SSH anywhere When you connect through SSH you don't have GUI and that's not a reason for avoiding using GUI tools, for example. > even use a mix of these on my personal computer and the traditional ones e…

> When you connect through SSH you don't have GUI and that's not a reason for avoiding using GUI tools, for example.

One major difference can emerge from the fact that using a tool regularly inevitably builds muscle memory.

You’re accustomed to a replacement command-line tool? Then your muscle memory will punish you hard when you’re logged into an SSH session on another machine because you’re going to try running your replacement tool eventually.

You’re used to a GUI tool? Will likely bite you much less in that scenario.

Re: Modern Linux tools

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Post by ta1243 »

0x37 wrote: post #9

These may be objectively superior (I haven't tested), but I have come to realize (like so many others) that if you ever change your OS installation, set up VMs, or SSH anywhere, preferring these is just an uphill battle that never ends. I don't want to have to set these up in every new environment I operate in, or even use a mix of these on my personal computer and the traditional ones elsewhere. Learn the classic to…

Along those lines, Dvorak layouts are more efficent, but I use qwerty because it works pretty much everywhere (are small changes like AZERTY still a thing? Certainly our French office is an "international" layout, and generally the main pain internationally are "@" being in the wrong place, and \ not working -- for the latter you can use user@domain when logging into a windows machine, rather than domain\user)

Re: Modern Linux tools

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Post by 112233 »

0x37 wrote: post #9

These may be objectively superior (I haven't tested), but I have come to realize (like so many others) that if you ever change your OS installation, set up VMs, or SSH anywhere, preferring these is just an uphill battle that never ends. I don't want to have to set these up in every new environment I operate in, or even use a mix of these on my personal computer and the traditional ones elsewhere. Learn the classic to…

Never will I ever set up tools and home environment directly on the distro. Only in a rootfs that I can proot/toolbx/bwrap into. Not only I don't want to set up again on different computer, distro upgrade has nuked "fancy" tools enough times to be not worth it.

Re: Modern Linux tools

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Post by [deleted] »

maeln wrote: post #53

Every time such a list is posted, it tends to generate a lot of debate, but I do think there is at least 2 tools that are really a good addition to any terminal : `fd`: first I find that the argument semantic is way better than `find`, but that is more a bonus than a real killer feature. Now, it being much, much faster than `find` on most setup, I would consider a valuable feature. But the killer feature for me is th…

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Re: Modern Linux tools

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Post by oguz-ismail »

robenkleene wrote: post #65
fergie wrote: post #14

I basically live in the terminal. However, every single one of these tools offers a solution to a problem that I don't have; aren't installed on my system; and mysteriously have many tens of thousands of github stars. I genuinely don't know what is going on here.

Out of curiosity, how would you recursively grep files ignoring (hidden files [e.g., `.git`]), only matching a certain file extension? (E.g., `rg -g '*.foo' bar`.) I use the command line a lot too and this is one of my most common commands, and I don't know of an elegant way to do it with the builtin Unix tools. (And I have basically the same question for finding files matching a regex or glob [ignoring the stuff I o…

    find . -name '.*?' -prune -o -name '*.foo' -exec grep bar /dev/null {} +
This is the POSIX way. You'd probably put it in a function in .bashrc

Re: Modern Linux tools

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Post by selectnull »

_ZeD_ wrote: post #83
selectnull wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The tool itself has no ads. What's wrong with a README having an ad?

everything.

So much talk about paying open source developers and when someone actually does something about it and try to make some money, it's again not good enough.

Damned if you do and damned if you don't.

Re: Modern Linux tools

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Post by doodpants »

ta1243 wrote: post #82
0x37 wrote: post #9

These may be objectively superior (I haven't tested), but I have come to realize (like so many others) that if you ever change your OS installation, set up VMs, or SSH anywhere, preferring these is just an uphill battle that never ends. I don't want to have to set these up in every new environment I operate in, or even use a mix of these on my personal computer and the traditional ones elsewhere. Learn the classic to…

Along those lines, Dvorak layouts are more efficent, but I use qwerty because it works pretty much everywhere (are small changes like AZERTY still a thing? Certainly our French office is an "international" layout, and generally the main pain internationally are "@" being in the wrong place, and \ not working -- for the latter you can use user@domain when logging into a windows machine, rather than domain\user)

I've been using Dvorak for 24 years. 99% of the time I'm using my own machines, so it's fine. For the other 1% I can hunt-and-peck QWERTY well enough.

Re: Modern Linux tools

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Post by ziml77 »

drob518 wrote: post #44
lucasoshiro wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> bat it's a useless cat I can't see bat as a "useless cat" or a replacement for cat except for reading source code in the terminal. It's more a like a less with syntax highlight or a read-only vim.

Part of the problem is “naming/marketing.” Bat compares ITSELF to cat, not to more/less. IMO, this confuses the issue.

I think that's because it's super common to use cat to quickly view a file. It has the nice property of using your terminal's scrollback rather than putting you into a pager application. For that use-case it is an alternative to cat.

That said, I've never really cared much about missing syntax highlighting for cases where I'm viewing file contents with cat. So the tool doesn't really serve a purpose for me and instead I'll continue to load up vim/neovim if I want to view a file with syntax highlighting.

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