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Google, Meta and Microsoft to stop showing political ads in the EU

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Re: Google, Meta and Microsoft to stop showing political ads in the EU

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post #70

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Clearly, they educate us into why they think their opponent is bad. /s Reform should state that campaign ads can only discuss what the candidate's positions are, and not be able to say anything about their opponent. If you can't tell me what your plans are and all you can do is say why the other position is wrong, then you're not showing me you'd be an effective person to hold office. However, that's what your websit…

Also that they have to actually be your positions and you can't just promise one thing and do a completely different thing.

Holding politicians legally accountable for their campaign promises will never happen, but I love the idea.

Re: Google, Meta and Microsoft to stop showing political ads in the EU

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post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Clearly, they educate us into why they think their opponent is bad. /s Reform should state that campaign ads can only discuss what the candidate's positions are, and not be able to say anything about their opponent. If you can't tell me what your plans are and all you can do is say why the other position is wrong, then you're not showing me you'd be an effective person to hold office. However, that's what your websit…

Also that they have to actually be your positions and you can't just promise one thing and do a completely different thing.

Then they'd all say the same thing with "my positions will be those of whoever writes the largest check"

Re: Google, Meta and Microsoft to stop showing political ads in the EU

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post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also that they have to actually be your positions and you can't just promise one thing and do a completely different thing.

Holding politicians legally accountable for their campaign promises will never happen, but I love the idea.

My favorite reform idea is to make politicians wear NASCAR style suits with all of their sponsor's logos attached

Re: Google, Meta and Microsoft to stop showing political ads in the EU

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post #49
post #4

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> Campaigners say the law will cause a harmful loss of information I find this quote from the article amusing. If EU political ads are anything like USA political ads, the objective of the ad is rarely, if ever, to educate the audience. The objective of most political ads is to confuse, disorient, and distort the narrative.

I don't think the political ads are like in the US. Not at all. Also the scale is no where near. TV2 in Denmark just ran an article saying that the 24 politicians and parties buying the most ads bought a total of 250k ads ahead of this policy coming into effect. Note that same month last year the spend was ~1/3. I know Denmark is small, ~5-6M, but that's doesn't seem like a lot of money.

Heavily depends on the country: Hungary. The government routinely the largest spender in Europe for online advertisement.

Btw, they just started categorise their online ads as non political through proxy companies. And they just jump to a new company when one becomes blocked.

Re: Google, Meta and Microsoft to stop showing political ads in the EU

#85
post #18

As a EU citizen, I don't care? People are not swayed by political ads. They're swayed by influencers who push political agendas covertly.

That's because you are a HN user, which selects for above average intelligence people (yes, even the webdevs). You are not the type of person who sways election results. Ads work. You don't need carefully crafted subliminal messages, you could write "vote for me" everywhere and it would have a noticeable effect on the election results

> That's because you are a HN user, which selects for above average intelligence people

This forum became a parody of itself

Re: Google, Meta and Microsoft to stop showing political ads in the EU

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post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think the political ads are like in the US. Not at all. Also the scale is no where near. TV2 in Denmark just ran an article saying that the 24 politicians and parties buying the most ads bought a total of 250k ads ahead of this policy coming into effect. Note that same month last year the spend was ~1/3. I know Denmark is small, ~5-6M, but that's doesn't seem like a lot of money.

The amount of money in US politics and elections in particular is staggering when you think about it. In 15 weeks Kamala Harris' campaign spent $1.5 billion. That's just insane. Especially when you find out that a lot of that spend goes through "media consultancies" and PR firms...run by former DNC staffers. And the same is true for the RNC. The two parties are basically a giant revolving door and network of jobs wit…

Here in France the presidential candidates who make it to the second round are limited to spending €22.5 million over the course of the entire campaign (first and second rounds). About half gets reimbursed from public funds, so you 'only' need to raise about €10-12 million. Hard limits on campaign donations (about €4K) mean big money impacts the race less, and limits on advertising means you don't have to spend it on TV ads or direct mail.

Spending $1.5 billion on a campaign (and still losing) is near unfathomable.

Re: Google, Meta and Microsoft to stop showing political ads in the EU

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I am a big fan of commercial advertising. I think it drives our global economy. However I think political and medical advertising need to be tightly regulated.

> I think it drives our global economy. It does, but in the same way that gambling drives the Macau economy.

Ads get a bad wrap, but no one wants a bad ad. The user wishes they didn't have to see it. The platform wishes they hadn't shown it to you. The advertiser/company wishes they hadn't paid to show it to you.

In contrast, a "good" ad is just a recommendation for something you haven't heard of, but you love and are glad you were told about it. There are tons of products and services out there you haven't heard of.

People might not believe this, think that if they would really love it, they would have searched for it, found it through organic means, etc. But if that were true, these companies wouldn't be bringing in $100B+ each, and generating $1T+ spend each

Re: Google, Meta and Microsoft to stop showing political ads in the EU

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post #73

> Polish hard-right member of the European Parliament Piotr Müller said the rules are an example of over-regulation gone wild This is almost an endorsement of the rules to me.

He’s just saying that so you think it’s a bad idea. In fact the far right is supported by armies of Russian propaganda, that these companies are doing nothing to stop.

Re: Google, Meta and Microsoft to stop showing political ads in the EU

#90
post #7

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Sounds like a good way to trap everyone with incumbent corporations. No quitting your corporate job to start your own business, you’re not allowed to advertise.

You are conflating slapping ads in people's faces with making your business listed on the white/yellow/whatever pages and allowing people to find you without being a jerk.

Yellow pages, really? Like, let's ban ads and brig back yellow pages", and everything will be solved?

And, if you were not aware, how do you think Yellow Pages made money? [1]

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_pages

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