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ICE bought vehicles equipped with fake cell towers to spy on phones

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Re: ICE bought vehicles equipped with fake cell towers to spy on phones

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Post by nxobject »

auguzanellato wrote: post #34
nickthegreek wrote: post #12

anytime these type of stories come up, its helpful for someone to post about ieee's rayhunter opensource project. https://github.com/EFForg/rayhunter which pairs nicely with a https://www.amazon.com/Orbic-Verizon-Hotspot-Connect-Enabled...

Another nice tool is CellGuard https://cellguard.seemoo.de/ It works on iOS devices without any extra hardware, even on non jailbroken devices, by analyzing baseband debug logs exported by the OS.

For what it’s worth, the authors note that since this is installed on a phone, by the time CellGuard has detected a rogue base station, it’s too late anyway.

Re: ICE bought vehicles equipped with fake cell towers to spy on phones

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Post by JohnTHaller »

NoiseBert69 wrote: post #6

Why aren't they using the official lawful interception interfaces? They will get all the data. Not only voice, data and SMS/RCS. All modern smartphones (like Pixels) allow you to switch off 2G. They even warn if you want to activate it.

> Why aren't they using the official lawful interception interfaces?

Probably for the same reason they're wearing masks

Re: ICE bought vehicles equipped with fake cell towers to spy on phones

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Post by cortesoft »

fzeroracer wrote: post #64
cortesoft wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You might believe SCOTUS has abdicated their duty, but that doesn’t make it illegal. The whole reason the Supreme Court exists is because there is no such thing as “clearly illegal” without some kind of adjudicating body that can decide if something breaks the law. Laws aren’t like math axioms; you can’t prove or disprove that a law has been broken with pure logic, you have to have humans interpret the words and appl…

By definition, the law is what we, collectively, agree on as being the law. The Supreme Court is only able to serve as the executor of the law on the basis of the institution being seen as legitimate and by virtue of being given that right by society. The Supreme Court suddenly deciding that the constitution does not matter does not make their decision law, it erodes trust in that institution and removes their mandat…

Well, the law of this land is based on the Constitution, which gives the Supreme Court ultimate authority to interpret the law. That is what gives it the force of law.

Now, the legitimacy of the CONSTITUTION is based on what we, collectively, agree on, however

Re: ICE bought vehicles equipped with fake cell towers to spy on phones

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Post by jedimastert »

gruez wrote: post #48
fzeroracer wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It doesn't require any tinfoil-hattery though because everything they're doing is very public. Like you look at their actions Chicago [1] and I think it's impossible to NOT think they're an illegal paramilitary group. They're rounding up, detaining and arresting US citizens and destroying their property under the guise of sweeping illegal immigrants. They've violated people's constitutional rights multiple times over…

>They're rounding up, detaining and arresting US citizens and destroying their property under the guise of sweeping illegal immigrants. What's the proportion of US citizens arrested compared to actual illegal immigrants?

More than zero.

Re: ICE bought vehicles equipped with fake cell towers to spy on phones

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Post by N70Phone »

cosmicgadget wrote: post #13
hedora wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's different because ICE is a paramilitary group operating illegally inside the US. They don't get warrants, engage in racial profiling, disappeared 2/3rds of the people sent to some of their facilities, arrest citizens, assault peaceful protesters, etc. They're doing this over the objection of state and local authorities, and despite the fact that their actions have been repeatedly ruled illegal by the courts.

It is critical to understand that as a general rule, what they are doing is completely legal. We created the conditions for this to happen and are empowered to change it.

> as a general rule

To rudely open a dictionary:

"As a general rule" - phrase of general - in most cases.

Agents of the state are supposed to be acting within the law IN ALL CASES.

The SS & SA were operating entirely within the law, if you ignore the times where they weren't.

Re: ICE bought vehicles equipped with fake cell towers to spy on phones

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Post by harimau777 »

cosmicgadget wrote: post #36
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> as a general rule, what they are doing is completely legal In general, particularly in the past, yes. Currently, a statistically significant number of ICE agents are acting outside the colour of law, in some cases with possibly treasonous intent.

Huh? They're either chasing down people with an administrative warrant (which as far as I can tell are largely valid) or they're using reasonable suspicion which SCOTUS just decided can be determined by a combination of ethnic, economic, and geographic factors. The latter seems wrongly-decided but it is lawful by definition. What actions are you referring to and what is the treasonous intent? They seem to just be sel…

Just because SCOTUS says something doesn't make it just. Especially this court.

Re: ICE bought vehicles equipped with fake cell towers to spy on phones

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Post by jeroenhd »

nxobject wrote: post #81
auguzanellato wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Another nice tool is CellGuard https://cellguard.seemoo.de/ It works on iOS devices without any extra hardware, even on non jailbroken devices, by analyzing baseband debug logs exported by the OS.

For what it’s worth, the authors note that since this is installed on a phone, by the time CellGuard has detected a rogue base station, it’s too late anyway.

These spying devices often do permit network traffic to flow through, so if deployed widely these apps could be used to report on where large-scale messing with cellular communications is taking place. The only way to stop this technology is to turn off your phone completely (and opt out of any low-power "find my" networks built into Android and iOS, of course).
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