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The World Trade Center under construction through photos, 1966-1979

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Re: The World Trade Center under construction through photos, 1966-1979

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Post by RajT88 »

rrrrrrrrrrrryan wrote: post #80
RajT88 wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is - seriously - no wonder they got destroyed. NYC is a symbol, and the towers were a recognizable icon in the skyline. There's a high number of coincidences about the towers getting destroyed. It's no conspiracy, it's because the towers and NYC meant something in the eyes of the world with regards to the USA. Just rattling off a few of the wild ones: The episode of The Lone Gunmen which predicted an attack with a…

Somewhat supporting your point, the towers were literally bombed in '93 with the intent of toppling them: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_World_Trade_Center_bombin... I imagine this terrorist attack inspired some of the art on your list.

So the videogame I mentioned was from 87! I think... Around then for sure. Definitely late 80's since it was for 8 bit Sega.

Re: The World Trade Center under construction through photos, 1966-1979

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Post by mixmastamyk »

tempestn wrote: post #53
rkomorn wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you implying Gore winning would've meant 9/11 wouldn't have happened?

Not the parent, and I'm not saying it definitely wouldn't have happened (I have no idea), but it's at least possible. There was advance intelligence around the event that might have been treated differently by a different administration. Even if it had happened, the response would also have been different.

In Richard Clarke’s book he details the intelligence community’s multiple warnings to the new Bush administration that spring and summer. They were ignored.

As Gore came from the Clinton admin he and the people around him would have had a lot more experience dealing with and familiar with the threats and actors, who were already known.

Re: The World Trade Center under construction through photos, 1966-1979

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Post by Finnucane »

nroets wrote: post #52
fidotron wrote: post #5

Tangentially: > The vision was meant to use the trade facility and urban renewal as tools to clear and revitalize what had become a “commercial slum”. What this refers to is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_Row#New_York_City Basically you cannot have Akihabara or Shenzhen style electronics markets because the sort of people that built the WTC don't like their chaotic appearance.

It's not about looks but efficient use of land: Manhattan was (and still is) the financial capital of the world. It had the most valuable real estate in the world. Radio Row was a poor use of real estate. Before the Chinese traded electronics in Shenzhen, they traded it in Hong Kong. Yes, as Hong Kong transformed into a financial center, it got rid of the electronics traders.

‘poor use of land’ meaning ‘not being used for the benefit of wealthy people.’

Re: The World Trade Center under construction through photos, 1966-1979

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Post by Hackbraten »

bamboozled wrote: post #69
93po wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US did exactly what he wanted them to. He wanted to radicalize Muslims worldwide against the West and drain American resources through prolonged wars. It's also interesting how infrequently Americans know OBL's motivations for the 9/11 attacks. A big part of it was the American support of Israel, and OBL's belief that this would lead to further oppression of Muslim people in Palestine. He did terrible things but…

OBL hated Palestine ?

"this" == "the American support of Israel"

Re: The World Trade Center under construction through photos, 1966-1979

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Post by potato3732842 »

fidotron wrote: post #5

Tangentially: > The vision was meant to use the trade facility and urban renewal as tools to clear and revitalize what had become a “commercial slum”. What this refers to is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_Row#New_York_City Basically you cannot have Akihabara or Shenzhen style electronics markets because the sort of people that built the WTC don't like their chaotic appearance.

> because the sort of people that built the WTC don't like their chaotic appearance.

And their counterparts in government hate it because chaos is inefficient (because people have rights) to impose their will on (regulate) so even if you don't build WTC there becomes a regulatory environment where nothing organic can grow.

Re: The World Trade Center under construction through photos, 1966-1979

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Post by tempestn »

UltraSane wrote: post #30
avhception wrote: post #26

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I'm still mad, and I'm not even American. Even over here in Germany, it was a massive shock wave that went through society and I still remember the day it happened vividly. The effects in society are felt to this day.

as an American I very much want to live in the reality where Gore won and 9/11 didn't happen.

If Gore had won, maybe McCain could have been President after him, and the Republican party could've gone in a very different direction too.

If you enjoy these kinds of hypotheticals, check out the series For All Mankind on apple tv.

Re: The World Trade Center under construction through photos, 1966-1979

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Post by api »

jeswin wrote: post #6

The Twin Towers sort of represented the height of American power and prestige, and their fall kicked off the decline. From its peak in the unipolar 90s, a series of expensive misadventures that began after the towers fell diverted critical funds from development (against the backdrop of China's inevitable rise and industrial capacity), into conflict and war far away.

I firmly believe that the 9/11 terrorists won. They got what they wanted, which is exactly what you describe. They also destroyed the optimism and energy of our culture. I lived through that time, and we have never recovered. The malaise of today started on 9/11/2001.

What we should have done is, as a symbolic act, rebuild the towers exactly as they were (with some structural improvements maybe) and go about our business. We should have gone after the terrorists as an international police action and not much more.

That would have been a symbol of true strength. "No, your little act of vandalism won't have any effect on us at all. We are above that." Be like the "wall" archetype in fiction, the huge guy someone punches as hard as they can and they barely notice.

Instead we showed stupidity and weakness disguised as strength, something we're now wallowing in with a whole culture revolving around fake strength and compensatory narcissism. Nothing says dying nation like gold plating everything.

Re: The World Trade Center under construction through photos, 1966-1979

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Post by mallowdram »

bamboozled wrote: post #72
mallowdram wrote: post #23

Article neglects that the WTC defied NYFD building codes on egress. If the code was applied as existing in 1966, it would require 8 or 9 fireproof staircases. Instead Rockefeller asked for and got a pass and the building instead had three staircases embedded in six layers of drywall, which is far else than the then standard fireproofing (brick encased). Not only that, they had non-standard transit corridors that wove…

Honest question , would it have changed much ?

I suspect so. The case was made in 102 minutes, a NY Times book detailing how 18 people on or above the South Tower's impact zone managed to escape in one of the partially collapsed staircases. Were the stairs built to firecode specs in place in 1966, and not in the flimsy manner expedited by Rockefeller, these stairs would have easily survived intact long enough for many more than 18 to survive.

Re: The World Trade Center under construction through photos, 1966-1979

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Post by gregsadetsky »

chistev wrote: post #3

Jules Naudet 3 hour footage of the collapse of the WTC, following the firemen before and after the towers got hit. https://youtu.be/CqzbHEfX3o8?si=4wfuiD94x9p11sj0

thanks for the link - fascinating to read about the origins of this footage [0]

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jules_and_G%C3%A9d%C3%A9on_Nau...

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