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Track which Electron apps slow down macOS 26 Tahoe

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Re: Track which Electron apps slow down macOS 26 Tahoe

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Post by self_awareness »

gfehhffvvv wrote: post #80
Etheryte wrote: post #62

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Otherwise I would be inclined to agree with you, but in this specific case I'm torn. These apps (ab)used a private API and the OS update meant they suddenly used it incorrectly. That's not something that's really the OS fault as far as I'm concerned. But I do agree that better separation is always good.

Historically Windows was known for not causing this kind of breakage for even “(ab)users” of private APIs, common misusers, buggy users, etc. And even working around such issues on the OS side.

Yeah, Windows is actually known for bending the OS so that backward compatibility is preserved. They even added a GUI tab with Compatibility settings.

But of course, Apple is not Microsoft, so they can do whatever they please. On Apple systems, non-working software on new macOS releases is a normal thing, maybe part of their philosophy.

Re: Track which Electron apps slow down macOS 26 Tahoe

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Post by lawgimenez »

Razengan wrote: post #66
lawgimenez wrote: post #50

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Truly sad, if I remember they were still migrating to SwiftUI for their iOS app. I have an app which almost shares the same SwiftUI codebase with iOS and macOS, and I am a one-man dev. If I can do it, I believe these million dollar company can also.

> I have an app which almost shares the same SwiftUI codebase with iOS and macOS, and I am a one-man dev. How do you crusade through Apple's appalling [lack of] documentation and dumb error messages and all the weird ＊magic＊ involved in wrangling an imperative language into a declarative framework? 5 years after SwiftUI's release I still struggle to build a simple photo viewer or expense tracker. > Sadly, for many of…

> How do you crusade through Apple's appalling [lack of] documentation and dumb error messages and all the weird ＊magic＊ involved in wrangling an imperative language into a declarative framework?

That's the benefit of a solo dev, one I don't have a UI/UX designer over-designing shit and secondly I stay close to SwiftUI's components, if I can't customized my own Picker then who cares.

I don't know but there's a lot of decent blogs and tutorials in SwiftUI nowadays.

Re: Track which Electron apps slow down macOS 26 Tahoe

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Post by mitchell209 »

microtonal wrote: post #69
JimDabell wrote: post #56

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I’m not sure I’ve seen an app plummet in quality as much as 1Password. I used to recommend it to everybody and switched multiple employers to it. Now I actively recommend against it. It wasn’t just abandoning native, somehow they make it worse with every release.

It is sad how far 1Password has fallen. AgileBits used to be a Mac shop and 1Password was a great Mac application. One and a half decades later, they are slow to roll out a fix for what was their initial platform (paying Mac users made them big). Also, it has become insanely buggy. Like autofill breaks for weeks for me every now and then, usually the extension is not able to connect to the 1Password app anymore (rebo…

I’m seriously considering switching off just because I hate how complicated their app has become. But I’m not a heavy user of stuff like safe documents, ID Cards, etc so it simply adds clutter and extra taps to get to the account passwords that I want.

And obviously everything you stated as well is a disappointment.

Re: Track which Electron apps slow down macOS 26 Tahoe

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Post by mitchell209 »

nozzlegear wrote: post #7
bigyabai wrote: post #2

Surely this will shame them into supporting MacOS better and not push developers towards making their desktop webapp a website.

Either solution is an improvement over the laggy electron app. Using Safari's web app feature on discord's website feels markedly better than trying to use their "native" app.

I just reformatted my MacBook and I was hesitant to reinstall the discord app because of how terrible it is. That sounds like a good compromise I never thought of considering discord is more of a windows PC thing for me. Thanks.

Re: Track which Electron apps slow down macOS 26 Tahoe

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Post by lenkite »

jen20 wrote: post #10
nikolay wrote: post #4

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Some notable apps without fixes (which I have installed locally): * 1Password.app * Bruno.app * Claude.app (oh noes!) * Cursor.app * Docker.app * Dropbox Dash.app * Dropbox.app * Element.app * GitKraken.app * Graphite.app * HEY.app (shame on DHH!) * Keeper Password Manager.app (it's not just 1Password) * Keybase.app * Kiro.app (come on, AWS!) * Ledger Live.app (crypto seems to lag behind Web 2.0 still!) * Loom.app *…

The number of major companies doing half-assed javascript bullshit instead of proper native macOS apps is ridiculous. This did remind me to go cancel 1Password though, something I'd been meaning to do since they switched _to_ electron...

Both MS and Apple have screwed up. WinUI3 is simply terrible and SwiftUI is a horrible headache. Is there any wonder that people are mass migrating to web frameworks ?

Re: Track which Electron apps slow down macOS 26 Tahoe

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Post by workfromspace »

eptcyka wrote: post #52
pants2 wrote: post #34

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Why do you install the Zoom app? Seems like only a way to collect data on you vs the web version that works just great.

Web version doesn’t handle large amounts of participants in a single call, way back when I used zoom.

I used the web version last month for an inside town hall meeting with ~1k participants and it was as smooth as it could be.

Re: Track which Electron apps slow down macOS 26 Tahoe

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Post by solid_fuel »

whatever1 wrote: post #48
binaryturtle wrote: post #32

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What is that? Like 32x >100MB junk overhead per app? ~4GiB gone from the disk just to hold the same broken copy of some framework/library? It's quite the insanity, isn't it? If there was one copy of that electron (e.g. installed to /Library somewhere) which all apps would simply use then you only would need to update one copy. Less disk space wasted. All apps fixed in one go. Back in the old days on the Commodore Ami…

No F shared libraries. Seriously. Memory and storage is cheap enough nowadays to not have to deal with the insanity that shared libraries cause. I don’t care if I use 30gb of memory to run a browser and a note taking app.

I don't understand why it's all-or-nothing. We know how to version things pretty well these days, why is there no blended solution where libraries are shared but version aware? I don't mind having two different versions of electron on my laptop but I don't want 30 copies of the same version.

Re: Track which Electron apps slow down macOS 26 Tahoe

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Post by nebula8804 »

concinds wrote: post #79
Spunkie wrote: post #15

In general the Tahoe update has been awful for all my end users that decided to update. It's not just electron apps that are the issue btw, just yesterday we ran into an issue with Zoom. It was breaking prompts/popups and by extension the system settings, the Mac app store, iTouch, and a ton of other random stuff was broken in silent and inconsistent ways. Also all my 8gb users are noticing significantly higher memor…

I suggest that everyone here stop submitting Feedback Assistant/Radar reports. Let teenagers, college students, adults and old people buy a new Mac, experience the bugs and lack of polish and let it affect Apple's brand, consumer's preferences, and their market behavior. Apple is too big to care about anything other than market consequences. Apple is fully aware that no one likes the Radar system, that no one feels t…

They have like ~15% market share. Thats really tiny after all these years. I bet those people are mostly people who have been burned by Windows. What do you expect them to go to? Linux?

Re: Track which Electron apps slow down macOS 26 Tahoe

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Post by Kwpolska »

concinds wrote: post #79
Spunkie wrote: post #15

In general the Tahoe update has been awful for all my end users that decided to update. It's not just electron apps that are the issue btw, just yesterday we ran into an issue with Zoom. It was breaking prompts/popups and by extension the system settings, the Mac app store, iTouch, and a ton of other random stuff was broken in silent and inconsistent ways. Also all my 8gb users are noticing significantly higher memor…

I suggest that everyone here stop submitting Feedback Assistant/Radar reports. Let teenagers, college students, adults and old people buy a new Mac, experience the bugs and lack of polish and let it affect Apple's brand, consumer's preferences, and their market behavior. Apple is too big to care about anything other than market consequences. Apple is fully aware that no one likes the Radar system, that no one feels t…

Too many Apple users consider Apple to be holy and will blame app vendors for OS bugs.

Re: Track which Electron apps slow down macOS 26 Tahoe

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Post by lwhi »

nebula8804 wrote: post #88
concinds wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I suggest that everyone here stop submitting Feedback Assistant/Radar reports. Let teenagers, college students, adults and old people buy a new Mac, experience the bugs and lack of polish and let it affect Apple's brand, consumer's preferences, and their market behavior. Apple is too big to care about anything other than market consequences. Apple is fully aware that no one likes the Radar system, that no one feels t…

They have like ~15% market share. Thats really tiny after all these years. I bet those people are mostly people who have been burned by Windows. What do you expect them to go to? Linux?

Linux actually works well .. maybe 2026 will be the year of [...]
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