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Larry Ellison – 'citizens will be on their best behavior' amid nonstop recording

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Re: Larry Ellison – 'citizens will be on their best behavior' amid nonstop recording

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Post by YcYc10 »

chiffre01 wrote: post #57
vid wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is deeply unfair. Plenty of people, including those responsible for more focus on environment and human rights, are in that age group. They are leaders and allies. Ageism is just another way divide society.

You are correct, I put income level in there too. We can't let Peter Thiel or Mark Zuckerberg off the hook either.

Your edited comment is still ageist.

>Why is it that every single person born between 1940 and 1965 (or making more than $1 million per year)

Every single person in that age range?

Re: Larry Ellison – 'citizens will be on their best behavior' amid nonstop recording

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

DSingularity wrote: post #77
bhouston wrote: post #28

Larry Ellison is ultra-pro Israel if you didn't know. He and others are pushing for Bari Weiss take a key role at CBS to better "defend Israel": https://nypost.com/2025/09/19/media/shari-redstone-says-bari... And many people are worried about a similar type of agenda setting at TikTok now: https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/will-tiktoks-new-own... Netanyahu, for his part, believes it is super consequential for E…

If anybody even insinuates that Weiss or Ellison have dual loyalty because of this they will be accused of anti-semitism. The hard truth is that weaponizing your money — earned largely from Americans — to aid a foreign country at the expense of America is about as un-American as it gets. Aside from the potentially valid argument that your voice shouldn’t be louder just because you are a billionaire — you are corrupti…

> anybody even insinuates that Weiss or Ellison have dual loyalty because of this they will be accused of anti-semitism

No, they’ll be accused of derailing the conversation.

Every pro-Palestinian activist isn’t civically compromised because they have strong views on foreign policy.

> you are corrupting American foreign policy and American stature in the world to advance the agenda of Israel. That is a betrayal of America.

This is a convoluted and hyperbolic way of expressing foreign-policy disagreement.

Re: Larry Ellison – 'citizens will be on their best behavior' amid nonstop recording

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Post by ddq »

everdrive wrote: post #56
koolba wrote: post #39

I encourage people making snap comments to read at least one entire paragraph of the article: > “We’re going to have supervision,” Ellison said. “Every police officer is going to be supervised at all times, and if there’s a problem, AI will report that problem and report it to the appropriate person. Citizens will be on their best behavior because we are constantly recording and reporting everything that’s going on.”…

> and if there’s a problem, AI will report that problem and report it to the appropriate person. The long march of us making terrible decisions with technology continues. I'm not sure how to get away from it.

We stop collaborating. Technologists, engineers, and support staff make this machine run. It must be made personally infeasible to continue contributing to our own shortsighted destruction. The incentive structure can and must be changed.

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Post by FarMcKon »

koolba wrote: post #39

I encourage people making snap comments to read at least one entire paragraph of the article: > “We’re going to have supervision,” Ellison said. “Every police officer is going to be supervised at all times, and if there’s a problem, AI will report that problem and report it to the appropriate person. Citizens will be on their best behavior because we are constantly recording and reporting everything that’s going on.”…

Great, please apply this to yourself, and livestream all of the time, leave the rest of us out of this.

People don't have one standard of behavior. I won't tell my kid jokes, I tell my wife. I won't complain about people in public, the way I vent to my sister (who gets it is just me venting, not how I feel all the time". I am not going to speak to a cop as I'm getting a speeding ticket, they way I will talk to one who is harassing a friend at a parade.

I won't talk to / about a co-worker in a meeting, the way I talk to someone he just (rightly, but very meanly) chewed out, and who needs a boss who listens, or will I talk to him in a meeting the way I will (a tad later) chew him out for making a coworker cry.

This take is so naive and emotionally / socially unintelligent about human behavior in various situations.

Re: Larry Ellison – 'citizens will be on their best behavior' amid nonstop recording

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Post by flenserboy »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #47
koolba wrote: post #39

I encourage people making snap comments to read at least one entire paragraph of the article: > “We’re going to have supervision,” Ellison said. “Every police officer is going to be supervised at all times, and if there’s a problem, AI will report that problem and report it to the appropriate person. Citizens will be on their best behavior because we are constantly recording and reporting everything that’s going on.”…

> People do act differently when they know they are being watched I really want to see more evidence for this. People act differently when they face consequences. More surveillance without enforcement wouldn’t be expected to positively change behaviour.

behavior will only get worse once people figure out that enforcement will either be entirely selective (based on the friends of whoever controls the programming) or entirely arbitrary. people will wish for anarcho-tyranny.

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Post by amval »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #40
bhouston wrote: post #28

Larry Ellison is ultra-pro Israel if you didn't know. He and others are pushing for Bari Weiss take a key role at CBS to better "defend Israel": https://nypost.com/2025/09/19/media/shari-redstone-says-bari... And many people are worried about a similar type of agenda setting at TikTok now: https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/will-tiktoks-new-own... Netanyahu, for his part, believes it is super consequential for E…

That’s a study shoehorn… Would his statements be better if he were pro-Gaza or something else?

Well, yes, it would be better if he didn't amplify propaganda for the country that is committing a genocide and would raise awareness for the victims.

Is this not self-evident?

Re: Larry Ellison – 'citizens will be on their best behavior' amid nonstop recording

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #80
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> assume you mean like demonstrations and whatnot Not necessarily. Broadly. Advocacy, petitioning, calling, electioneering, drafting, lobbying, organising, et cetera . A civically inactive citizenry frankly doesn’t have that much to lose from surveillance. Someone failing to exercise their political rights (EDIT: leaving them unexercised) pretty clearly communicates the value they place in them.

> Someone failing to exercise their political rights I see what you did, there... I tend to get a lot done. Not really into the whole "sound and fury" thing. I like to actually have results.

> see what you did, there

Genuinely asked if you’re politically engaged because I’m curious how that squares with your views on this topic?

Most Americans are not civically engaged. That’s sort of expected. Their principal opposition to surveillance revolves around being creeped out. Most folks who are civically engaged, on the other hand, recognise the risks to themselves and their projects if the opposition can command these tools. (As well as the power that would come with commanding them oneself.) If that link is no longer true, or not universally valid, I’m genuinely interested in hearing it. Because that implies independent civic action can survive—or potentially even thrive in—a modern surveillance state.

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Post by bsenftner »

koolba wrote: post #39

I encourage people making snap comments to read at least one entire paragraph of the article: > “We’re going to have supervision,” Ellison said. “Every police officer is going to be supervised at all times, and if there’s a problem, AI will report that problem and report it to the appropriate person. Citizens will be on their best behavior because we are constantly recording and reporting everything that’s going on.”…

Video AI fraud is going to skyrocket, and you know there will be service organizations that cater to this "consumer need". Ellison is a short sighted thinker, opening Pandora's Box.

Re: Larry Ellison – 'citizens will be on their best behavior' amid nonstop recording

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Post by jfyi »

dylan604 wrote: post #67
jodrellblank wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the Global Peace Index, the UK is number 30 in the world and the USA is 128, below Rwanda, China, South Africa, India, Bangladesh. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Peace_Index

The GP’s comment has nothing to do with the US though. So what’s your point?

I'm actually having difficulties trying to find where the UK was brought into it if not by the commenter in question. If we are pointing out lapse of context, that is.
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