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Re: A human-accelerated neuron type potentially underlying autism in humans

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Post by chongli »

karmakaze wrote: post #66

I'd thought that by living indoors and in otherwise controlled environments that there's not really much evolutionary pressure in any particular direction. Higher intelligence isn't a specific requirement to have (many) children live healthy lives.

You don't have to die to be selected out of the gene pool, you just need to fail to reproduce. If intelligence contributes to wealth and wealth contributes to reproductive success, then there will be evolutionary pressure favouring intelligence (and any other genes that "come along for the ride" with it).

Re: A human-accelerated neuron type potentially underlying autism in humans

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Post by throwup238 »

Insanity wrote: post #33
petermcneeley wrote: post #27

What if it is more like Vegeta's super saiyan 2. A false super saiyan 2 form. Just like the real SS2 maintains both power and agility the real Übermensch will attain new levels of IQ while maintaining if not advancing a strong EQ. https://dragonball.fandom.com/wiki/Super_Saiyan_Second_Grade

lol that’s an interesting comparison. Another angle is that our categorization of what is atypical is the actual problem, and not the symptom itself.

> Another angle is that our categorization of what is atypical is the actual problem, and not the symptom itself.

I wouldn't call it a problem so much as a fundamental aspect to human psychology as a clinical science. A lot of mental disorders are only really diagnosable by the impact the disorder has on the individual's life because of the fundamental limitations on external observers so at some point we have to draw a line or create a spectrum of what is considered "typical".

Re: A human-accelerated neuron type potentially underlying autism in humans

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Post by pfisherman »

jiggawatts wrote: post #35
ACCount37 wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there now? High functioning autism exists, but autism in general doesn't seem to give any advantage to general intelligence. And the low end of functioning in autism is really, really low.

An observation I've made is that the most people ("the general population") will compromise on hard facts without pause to attain social goals. I.e.: They will follow instructions from a workplace superior with zero push-back even if the instructions are total nonsense or impossible to physically implement. It's a rare breed (1-2%) of the population that will actively push back, insist on facts, and stick to only the…

> They will follow instructions from a workplace superior with zero push-back

Zero push-back? Or zero push-back in front of the rest of the group?

Humans are pack animals, highly evolved for social connection, and ostracism can be life threatening. The benefits of group membership and cohesion are enough that it is worth tolerating some mistakes and suboptimal outcomes because over time the expected utility for individuals and in the aggregate is much higher when people are working together harmoniously as a group.

Re: A human-accelerated neuron type potentially underlying autism in humans

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Post by pfisherman »

jiggawatts wrote: post #59
jmogly wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think dismissing social realities as not being part of that hard, unyielding reality is a mistake. Part of intelligence (maybe a different part) is being able to bend the social fabric to achieve desirable outcomes. The other thing is you don’t always know why people do what they do, the world is a very subjective place. The people at work who don’t call things out, they might just be collecting a paycheck and are…

> I think dismissing social realities as not being part of that hard, unyielding reality is a mistake. One of the realities is more unyielding than the other. Pi can’t be redefined to be exactly 3 no matter how socially important the legislator is.

> One of the realities is more unyielding than the other.

Also ten or one hundred (people) is more than one.

That math can’t be reasoned out of existence either.

Re: A human-accelerated neuron type potentially underlying autism in humans

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Post by hu3 »

dyauspitr wrote: post #72
al_borland wrote: post #37

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That’s called masking. I have level 1 ASD and rated pretty high in masking when tested. I show up the way I’m expected to show up. I don’t let people see what it costs me. I deal with that later in private.

You can be an introvert without having autism. A lot of people “mask” it doesn’t mean they’re autistic.

That doesn't invalidate the fact that there are high functioning autists that mask well.

Re: A human-accelerated neuron type potentially underlying autism in humans

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Post by dyauspitr »

ksenzee wrote: post #80
dyauspitr wrote: post #49

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Never being married did however.

It literally did not. Celibacy was much more common (or at least commonly aspired to) and was considered virtuous.

Only in prescribed folds. The average unmarried person was a relative outcast. Lifelong singleness was exceedingly rare. It went as far as having legal ramifications like not being able to own property and being unable to hold certain offices.

Re: A human-accelerated neuron type potentially underlying autism in humans

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Post by [deleted] »

hyperpallium2 wrote: post #62
cwmoore wrote: post #50

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Thank you for the clarification. Can't read the paper. Who was it that was quoted often a decade ago that described the intellectual variance difference between the sexes? The research concluded that women are smarter (just kidding) that men have much greater variance while women are generally closer to the mean and one another in abilities. Since differences between the sexes exist, I would also expect differences a…

IANAG but the idea is that women get two copies of the X chromosome (XX), and men only one (XY). This explains why women have squared the colour blindness rates of men - women have to get two bad copies, men only one. Many intelligence related genes are on the X chromosome, so it makes sense you get more variation in men. However, not all genes interact in this way.

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Re: A human-accelerated neuron type potentially underlying autism in humans

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Post by jrflowers »

petermcneeley wrote: post #27

What if it is more like Vegeta's super saiyan 2. A false super saiyan 2 form. Just like the real SS2 maintains both power and agility the real Übermensch will attain new levels of IQ while maintaining if not advancing a strong EQ. https://dragonball.fandom.com/wiki/Super_Saiyan_Second_Grade

Training in a hyperbolic time chamber to max out my grasp of social cues. I emerge cocoon-like with a correct estimation of who is and is not mad at me

Re: A human-accelerated neuron type potentially underlying autism in humans

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Post by Lu2025 »

jrflowers wrote: post #88
petermcneeley wrote: post #27

What if it is more like Vegeta's super saiyan 2. A false super saiyan 2 form. Just like the real SS2 maintains both power and agility the real Übermensch will attain new levels of IQ while maintaining if not advancing a strong EQ. https://dragonball.fandom.com/wiki/Super_Saiyan_Second_Grade

Training in a hyperbolic time chamber to max out my grasp of social cues. I emerge cocoon-like with a correct estimation of who is and is not mad at me

Just find zen and stop giving a shit, buddy.

Re: A human-accelerated neuron type potentially underlying autism in humans

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Post by fraserphysics »

cwmoore wrote: post #50
agentcoops wrote: post #19

There's an ambiguity in the title, reflected in some comments below. It can be understood either as the claim that "in a particular human being, to be intelligent as measured by IQ means that you are more likely to be autistic", suggesting for example a trade-off between social and general intelligence; or the claim that "the evolution of the human brain and so human intelligence as such, which characterizes both tho…

Thank you for the clarification. Can't read the paper. Who was it that was quoted often a decade ago that described the intellectual variance difference between the sexes? The research concluded that women are smarter (just kidding) that men have much greater variance while women are generally closer to the mean and one another in abilities. Since differences between the sexes exist, I would also expect differences a…

I think it was Larry Summers.
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