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Re: A recent chess controversy

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You can and you should. If you flipped a coin 100 times and all you got are heads you really should assume it didn't happen by chance.

Nope. A previous flip has no bearing on the next flip.

You can calculate the probability of having a fair coin and as N(Heads) increases that probability goes down. Each flip is indeed independent but the distribution of flips tells you something about the coin.

Re: A recent chess controversy

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This is basically an article describing why you can’t just look at an event after it occurs, see that it has some extremely rare characteristics, and then determine it was unlikely to happen by chance. It is like asking someone to pick a random number between 1 and 1 million and then saying, “oh my god, it must not actually be random… the chances of choosing the exact number 729,619 is 1 in a million! That is too rar…

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Re: A recent chess controversy

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Feynman is one of the best ever at explaining complicated concepts in ways almost everyone can understand. That is a very rare skill for the super intelligent to have.

Agreed on Feynman, but not necessarily on the generalization that it being a rare skill to simplify things. When you understand a thing so well, you can simplify it enough.

I think it also takes a certain humility of character (which can coexist with tremendous self-esteem and even ego; see Feinman, Richard for an example).

Re: A recent chess controversy

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This is basically an article describing why you can’t just look at an event after it occurs, see that it has some extremely rare characteristics, and then determine it was unlikely to happen by chance. It is like asking someone to pick a random number between 1 and 1 million and then saying, “oh my god, it must not actually be random… the chances of choosing the exact number 729,619 is 1 in a million! That is too rar…

Your comment made me think of an interesting story and a funfact.

During WW2, allies tried to guess the number of German tanks by observing the serial numbers on captured tanks.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_tank_problem If, say, the serial numbers are unique, and come in sequence, if the five first numbers you see are all less than 100, it's a far chance that there aren't produced 200 tanks. (Provided some assumptions, of course.)

The funfact is that you get different results if you follow the frequentist or the Bayesian approach.

Re: A recent chess controversy

#85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can and you should. If you flipped a coin 100 times and all you got are heads you really should assume it didn't happen by chance.

Nope. A previous flip has no bearing on the next flip.

We aren't predicting flips based on "a" previous flip. We're predicting them based on the set of ALL KNOWN previous flips, which allows a statistical model.

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This is basically an article describing why you can’t just look at an event after it occurs, see that it has some extremely rare characteristics, and then determine it was unlikely to happen by chance. It is like asking someone to pick a random number between 1 and 1 million and then saying, “oh my god, it must not actually be random… the chances of choosing the exact number 729,619 is 1 in a million! That is too rar…

You can and you should. If you flipped a coin 100 times and all you got are heads you really should assume it didn't happen by chance.

'If you flipped a coin 100 times and all you got are heads you'

By starting the sentence with if, you are selecting the occurrence to look at.

If you said I am about to look at the results of this coin toss that happened yesterday, if it is all heads then I am going to assume it was not random, then you are making the claim before you have seen the results. You can still be wrong, but the chances of you being wrong is the rarity of the event.

Re: A recent chess controversy

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This is basically an article describing why you can’t just look at an event after it occurs, see that it has some extremely rare characteristics, and then determine it was unlikely to happen by chance. It is like asking someone to pick a random number between 1 and 1 million and then saying, “oh my god, it must not actually be random… the chances of choosing the exact number 729,619 is 1 in a million! That is too rar…

Not the same though because we aren't talking about random events. If a player with a significantly lower ELO than Hikaru got the same winning streak against the same tier of players then you could absolutely conclude that it was cheating.

Re: A recent chess controversy

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It is well known that Kramnik baselessly accuses everyone. The article seems to be more about statistics than chess, and doesn’t make any accusations. Kind of a click bait title IMO.

The title is “Did a US Chess Champion Cheat?” and the text of the article uses statistical analysis to show that the person most likely did not cheat. What would you consider to be misleading between the title and the article?

Headlines following Betteridge's law were the original clickbait, and this definitely fits.

Re: A recent chess controversy

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This is basically an article describing why you can’t just look at an event after it occurs, see that it has some extremely rare characteristics, and then determine it was unlikely to happen by chance. It is like asking someone to pick a random number between 1 and 1 million and then saying, “oh my god, it must not actually be random… the chances of choosing the exact number 729,619 is 1 in a million! That is too rar…

Your comment made me think of an interesting story and a funfact. During WW2, allies tried to guess the number of German tanks by observing the serial numbers on captured tanks. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_tank_problem If, say, the serial numbers are unique, and come in sequence, if the five first numbers you see are all less than 100, it's a far chance that there aren't produced 200 tanks. (Provided some…

The Bayesian results will depend on the prior. They use a uniform distribution over # tanks produced, in the limit of the distribution's maximum -> infinity. Is that reasonable? Something more constrained might be better, maybe a gamma-Poisson prior with gamma mean based on some plausible estimate of production rate.

(The frequentist/Bayesian estimates should converge as you collect more observations.)

Re: A recent chess controversy

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This is basically an article describing why you can’t just look at an event after it occurs, see that it has some extremely rare characteristics, and then determine it was unlikely to happen by chance. It is like asking someone to pick a random number between 1 and 1 million and then saying, “oh my god, it must not actually be random… the chances of choosing the exact number 729,619 is 1 in a million! That is too rar…

You can and you should. If you flipped a coin 100 times and all you got are heads you really should assume it didn't happen by chance.

Yeah, but say 1,000 people each flipped a coin 10,000 times and one of them once got a streak of 29 heads out of 30 flips. Can we assume anything then?
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