If you are a smart kid in europe learn to vibecode XChacha20 & ed25519 encryption keys for you and your friends to chat with so you can go tell your incompetent government to go fuck themselves.
but then they'll make this a crime
ChatControl: EU wants to scan all private messages, even in encrypted apps
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#82Sounds like a complete tyrannical dystopian hell hole to live in.
But nevermind, We love the EU! /s
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#83My answer to "think of the children" is "I am thinking of the children"
* of their rights to privacy
* their right to live in a democracy
* the value of warrant based search vs nazi SS style
* I want them to enjoy at -least- as much privacy as I currently enjoy
* I don't want rando creeps reading their personal messages and keeping them forever, there's a reason memory fades, it lets us grow as people
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#84I think the challenge for society here is not to simply reject attempts like this, but how to prevent them from being pushed over and over until a specific context allows it to be approved.
The only way I see to prevent the constant pushing is that every single time some council or committee presents something like this every single of one of their private communication gets leaked for everyone to peruse at their leisure from whatsapp to bank statements.
They want to erode people's privacy? Let them walk their talk first and see how that goes.
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#85Governments should be transparent and the people should be opaque. Any government that attempts to make things otherwise looses legitimacy.
> Governments should be transparent and the people should be opaque.
I'm going to add this to my repertoire since it's a lot more concise than most of my rantings on the topic
Re: ChatControl: EU wants to scan all private messages, even in encrypted apps
#86I think the challenge for society here is not to simply reject attempts like this, but how to prevent them from being pushed over and over until a specific context allows it to be approved.
The only way I see to prevent the constant pushing is that every single time some council or committee presents something like this every single of one of their private communication gets leaked for everyone to peruse at their leisure from whatsapp to bank statements. They want to erode people's privacy? Let them walk their talk first and see how that goes.
I like this idea frankly. Where are the hacktivists when we need them?
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#88They want the power to arrest you for your private thought crimes too.
and keep them forever to use them against you in the future, if you become a "problem"
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#89Earlier quoted context omitted.
I've commented this elsewhere, but rights in the US are generally much more absolute than here in Europe. For example, in the EU you technically have the right to freedom of expression, but you can also be arrested if you say something that could offend someone. Similarly rights to privacy are often ignored whenever a justification can be made that it's appropriate to do so. I don't know about elsewhere in the world,…
"... expression, but you can also be arrested if you say something that could offend someone. ..." You probably mean hate speech. We have laws like that too in Canada. It is a good thing.
It all depends who’s defining “hate”. The people you like who are in charge today won’t be there in 20 years, and if any kind of extremism leaks in to society, you could find yourself unable to advocate for your beliefs without getting arrested.
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#90Earlier quoted context omitted.
As shown on the other side of Atlantic that is worthless when no one upholds the constitution.
I think of constitution as a contract between the citizens and the state and the (judiciary?) Like, constitution both defines the rights of citizens and the limits of those rights and the same goes for the states. I feel as if the creators of constitutions think that it is a set of checks and balances... Just as if how a citizen violates something written in the constitution, the state can punish it. In the same mann…
> I concur (fancy word for believe which I wanted to share lol) you are talking about america.
Just a heads up but concur means "agree", not "believe"