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OpenAI and Nvidia announce partnership to deploy 10GW of Nvidia systems

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Re: OpenAI and Nvidia announce partnership to deploy 10GW of Nvidia systems

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I'm old enough to remember when vendor financing was both de rigueur and also frowned upon... (1990s: telecom sector, with all big players like Lucent, Nortel, Cisco, indulging in it, ending with the bust of 2001/2002, of course)

This absolutely feels like the Telco Bubble 2.0, and I've mentioned this on HN as well a couple times [0]

[0] - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44069086

Re: OpenAI and Nvidia announce partnership to deploy 10GW of Nvidia systems

#82

In accounting terms, this is a shady business practice known as "round tripping" where you invest in a company for the sole purpose of them buying your product. It allows you to count your revenue multiple times.

This is being done out in the open (we’re reading the press announcement) and will be factored into valuations.

Also, investing in OpenAI means they get equity in return, which is not a worthless asset. There is actual mutually beneficial trade occurring.

Re: OpenAI and Nvidia announce partnership to deploy 10GW of Nvidia systems

#83

Did I miss the part where they mention the 10 large nuclear plants needed to power this new operation? Where's all the power coming from for this?

Build this thing in the middle of the desert and you would need around 100 sq mile of solar panels + a fuck load of batteries for it to be energy independent. The solar farm would be around $10 billion which is probably far less than the gpus cost

Won't get you the necessary 4 9's uptime and energy sadly. Im still 100% for this -- but need another model for energy delivery.

Re: OpenAI and Nvidia announce partnership to deploy 10GW of Nvidia systems

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post #76

I'm old enough to remember when vendor financing was both de rigueur and also frowned upon... (1990s: telecom sector, with all big players like Lucent, Nortel, Cisco, indulging in it, ending with the bust of 2001/2002, of course)

This absolutely feels like the Telco Bubble 2.0, and I've mentioned this on HN as well a couple times [0] [0] - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44069086

For sure a great infrastructure build out -- lets hope the leftover are better energy infrastructure so that whatever comes next in 7 years after the flame out has some great stuff to build on (similar to telco bubble 1.0) and less damaging to planet earth in the long arc.

Re: OpenAI and Nvidia announce partnership to deploy 10GW of Nvidia systems

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In accounting terms, this is a shady business practice known as "round tripping" where you invest in a company for the sole purpose of them buying your product. It allows you to count your revenue multiple times.

Nvidia has consistently done this with Coreweave, Nscale, really most of its balance sheet investments are like this. On the one hand there's a vaguely cogent rationale that they're a strategic investor and it sort of makes sense as an hardware-for-equity swap; on the other, it's obviously goosing revenue numbers. This is a bigger issue when it's $100B than with previous investments.

It's a good time to gently remind everyone that there are a whole pile of legal things one can do to change how a security looks "by the numbers" and this isn't even close to the shadiest. Heck some sell-side research makes what companies themselves do look benign.

Re: OpenAI and Nvidia announce partnership to deploy 10GW of Nvidia systems

#87

Did I miss the part where they mention the 10 large nuclear plants needed to power this new operation? Where's all the power coming from for this?

Build this thing in the middle of the desert and you would need around 100 sq mile of solar panels + a fuck load of batteries for it to be energy independent. The solar farm would be around $10 billion which is probably far less than the gpus cost

Dissipating 10GW of heat is also a challenge in a sunny, hot, dry environment.

Re: OpenAI and Nvidia announce partnership to deploy 10GW of Nvidia systems

#88

In accounting terms, this is a shady business practice known as "round tripping" where you invest in a company for the sole purpose of them buying your product. It allows you to count your revenue multiple times.

Isn’t our stock market basically propped up on this AI credits etc. house of cards right now?

Re: OpenAI and Nvidia announce partnership to deploy 10GW of Nvidia systems

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Environmentalists are just against progress. A few desert species going extinct is not a big deal. It's an arid wasteland. When we eventually terraform it (with desalinated water from solar / fusion) those species are going to die out anyway.

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