Why would humans fill the gaps, and not AI? The current media platforms algorithmically curate content. I suspect the logical conclusion of that is to use AI to generate content on-demand, perfectly tailored to what the user is most likely to find engaging.
A New Internet Business Model?
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Re: A New Internet Business Model?
#82> As we think about our role at Cloudflare in this developing market, it's not about protecting the status quo but instead helping catalyze a better business model for the future of Internet content creation. That means creating a level playing field. Ideally there should be lots of AI companies, large and small, and lots of content creators, large and small. Not mentioned: there would be a single gatekeeper for the…
> Not mentioned: there would be a single gatekeeper for the internet, Cloudflare.
I don't get it. Can you point out where Cloudflare gains the power to prevent Google or any other company from doing the same?
Re: A New Internet Business Model?
#83We need something like tracking cookies for model inputs and outputs.
Creators should be able to trace and quantify exactly what data of theirs was fed into the grift machine and be reimbursed directly by the grift machine custodian each time their data is used to generate new output.
A middleman who collects a giant chunk of creator royalties, for data that will be used perpetually by the grift machine... that sounds like a bad deal.
Re: A New Internet Business Model?
#84> Make no mistake, the Internet has never been free. There's always been a reward system that transferred value from consumers to creators and, in doing so, filled the Internet with content. Had the Internet not had that reward system it wouldn't be nearly as vibrant as it is today. This is an attempt to rewrite history. Back in the day, we stood up servers at our own expense and filled them with content for free, fo…
But "at our own expense" is not free, is it? In the end someone has always paid the bills for things being on the Internet. That's the "never been free" in that statement. I don't think they're saying what you think they're saying.
They're not saying what you think either, there's no reward system or transfer of value in free content, offered for free. It doesn't matter if it's hosted at someone's own expense if it's done for nothing other than the fun of it.
Re: A New Internet Business Model?
#85Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Let us host stuff at home. We can dream. ISP says NO!
My ISP gives me v6 and lets me turn off their firewall. That's a start
In general, most ISP have a usage agreement posted which prohibits excessive client server traffic.
This is why most NOCs enforce an asymmetric firewall bandwidth limit for download focused customers, and install colo Google/CDN rack appliances.
Most ISP are just the modern retooled Cable company business. Try to stream video off your home platform on a normal service port, and you will hit the caps pretty quickly. =3
Re: A New Internet Business Model?
#86 ads have been the only micropayment
system that has worked
I wonder how the web would look like if one could click "pay 1 cent to continue".
Maybe content would become better? Maybe it would make one think "Hmm... one moment, is this something I want to read or am I just doomscrolling?".
Re: A New Internet Business Model?
#87> Unless you believe that content creators should work for free, or that they are somehow not needed anymore — both of which are naive assumptions
Realistically, what was the benefit of the ad-driven model? From my point of view, most of the highly-valuable information came from the various forums, wikis and personal sites, on all of which people would publish the information for free. Ads were largely used to cover hosting costs of the large forums and wikis, but the content creators saw not a single dime.
Over the last 15 years, the search results have shifted from this, to instead become 100% news articles and SEO spam, all with a lot of fluff and very little substance, tons of ads, pop-ups, autoplay videos and subscription walls. All of this is well funded thanks to the business model, but for what? I can't imagine anyone sitting through all that crap to get to what they were looking for. There's a reason people would tell others to add "reddit" to the search query only a few years back, and even that's becoming less worthwhile.
Is this really what we want to preserve? Big publications and their interests?
Re: A New Internet Business Model?
#88Earlier quoted context omitted.
I guess it would be if Cloudflare was operating the bots.
huh? they can block the bots
Usually the protection racket (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protection_racket) is when the people who will cause the destruction charge to prevent it from happening.
Paying a security guard isn't considered a protection racket, while paying a member of the mob so that nothing happens to my store is considered a protection racket.
Re: A New Internet Business Model?
#89> As we think about our role at Cloudflare in this developing market, it's not about protecting the status quo but instead helping catalyze a better business model for the future of Internet content creation. That means creating a level playing field. Ideally there should be lots of AI companies, large and small, and lots of content creators, large and small. Not mentioned: there would be a single gatekeeper for the…
Is there currently a more open alternative to Cloudflare? I would assume that people don't really use it until they have significant traffic from all different parts of the world? In which case for the self-host people we can just pick a decent CDN?
I've done a few tests with CF hosted webapps... overall it's pretty good experience, and for my usage has been free, despite opting into a paid account level, I haven't exceeded the free usage.
For mostly-static or static-site content it's pretty nice all around. I've not gotten into the SQLite service so much though, which I might and seems interesting.. there's also Turso to consider as an alternative option... Not to mention Deno, Fastly and other similar options.
Kind of hoping to see something similar start to gain traction to support wasm backend systems similarly.
This is beyond their DDoS/Proxy protection, but worth considering as part of what they offer. There's a lot there to like.
Re: A New Internet Business Model?
#90> As we think about our role at Cloudflare in this developing market, it's not about protecting the status quo but instead helping catalyze a better business model for the future of Internet content creation. That means creating a level playing field. Ideally there should be lots of AI companies, large and small, and lots of content creators, large and small. Not mentioned: there would be a single gatekeeper for the…
I see what you mean, and I am divided on the issue. On one hand, I don't think it's fair to have AI companies to freely scrape the world without fairly compensating content producers. On the other hand, adding more gatekeepers to the web ends up killing it. This feels like a lose-lose situation.
That is a lot of hands... Are you AI generated? lol =3