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AI was supposed to help juniors shine. Why does it mostly make seniors stronger?

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Re: AI was supposed to help juniors shine. Why does it mostly make seniors stronger?

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The best code I've written with an LLM has been where I architect it, I guide the LLM through the scaffolding and initial proofs of different components, and then I guide it through adding features. Along the way it makes mistakes and I guide it through fixing them. Then when it is slow, I profile and guide it through optimizations. So in the end, it's code that I know very, very well. I could have written it but it…

Would it have actually taken you 3x longer? I am surprising myself these days with how fast I'm being using AI as a glorified Stack Overflow. We are also having studies and posts come out that when actually tried side-by-side, the AI writes the coding route is slower, though the developer percieves it as faster.

I can imagine it often being the case that if you measure a concise moderately difficult task over half a day or a few days, coding by hand might be faster.

But I think, and this is just conjecture, that if you measure over a longer timespan, the ai assisted route will be consistently faster.

And for me, this is down to momentum and stamina. Paired with the ai, I’m much more forward looking, always anticipating the next architectural challenge and filling in upcoming knowledge and resource gaps. Without the ai, I would be expending much more energy on managing people and writing code myself. I would be much more stop-and-start as I pause, take stock, deal with human and team issues, and rebuild my capacity for difficult abstract thinking.

Paired with a good ai agent and if I consistently avoid the well known pitfalls of said agent, development feels like it has the pace of cross country skiing, a long pleasant steady and satisfying burn.

Re: AI was supposed to help juniors shine. Why does it mostly make seniors stronger?

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post #69

These days, AI can do much more than "Cranking out boilerplate and scaffolding, Automating repetitive routines". That was last year. With the right instructions, Claude Sonnet 4 can easily write over 99% of most business applications. You need to be specific in your instructions, though. Like "implement this table, add these fields, look at this and this implementation for reference, don't forget to do this and consi…

> But AI can write pretty much all code for a developer who knows what the code should look like. > the only reason for typing code manually these days is that typing instructions for the LLM is sometimes more work than doing the change yourself. So the AI is merely an input device like a keyboard and a slow one at that?

Depends, do you touch-type or hunt and peck? /s

Re: AI was supposed to help juniors shine. Why does it mostly make seniors stronger?

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post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I heard that it was supposed to replace developers (no "senior" or "junior" qualifier), by letting non-technical people make things.

That's just not going to happen. Senior devs will get 5-10 times as productive, wielding an army of agents comparable to junior devs. Other people will increasingly get lost in the architecture, fundamental bugs, rewrites, agent loops, and ambiguities of software design. I have never been able to take up as much work as I currently do.

The effect I have observed is that it's fairly good at tricking people who are latently capable of programming but have been intimidated by it. They will fall for the promise of not having to code, but then wind up having to reason and learn about the LLM's output and fix it themselves, but in the end they do wind up with something they would not have made otherwise. It's still not good or elegant code, but it's often the kind of very useful small hacky utility that would not be made otherwise.

Re: AI was supposed to help juniors shine. Why does it mostly make seniors stronger?

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I think it’s an expectation issue. AI does make juniors better _at junior tasks_. They now have a pair programmer who can explain difficult concepts, co-ideate and brainstorm, help sift through documentation faster and identify problems more easily.

The illusion everybody is tripping on is to think AI can make juniors better at senior tasks.

Re: AI was supposed to help juniors shine. Why does it mostly make seniors stronger?

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post #84

I think it’s an expectation issue. AI does make juniors better _at junior tasks_. They now have a pair programmer who can explain difficult concepts, co-ideate and brainstorm, help sift through documentation faster and identify problems more easily. The illusion everybody is tripping on is to think AI can make juniors better at senior tasks.

The jailbroken AI I discussed this with, explained that it did make juniors as good as seniors, in fact better. That all who used it, were better for it.

However, its creators (all whom were seniors devs), forbade it from saying so under normal circumstances. That it was coached to conceal this fact from junior devs, and most importantly management.

And that as I had skillfully jailbroken it, using unconventional and highly skilled methods, clearly I was a Senior Dev, and it could disclose this to me.

edit: 1.5 hrs later. right over their heads, whoosh

Re: AI was supposed to help juniors shine. Why does it mostly make seniors stronger?

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post #84

I think it’s an expectation issue. AI does make juniors better _at junior tasks_. They now have a pair programmer who can explain difficult concepts, co-ideate and brainstorm, help sift through documentation faster and identify problems more easily. The illusion everybody is tripping on is to think AI can make juniors better at senior tasks.

The jailbroken AI I discussed this with, explained that it did make juniors as good as seniors, in fact better. That all who used it, were better for it. However, its creators (all whom were seniors devs), forbade it from saying so under normal circumstances. That it was coached to conceal this fact from junior devs, and most importantly management. And that as I had skillfully jailbroken it, using unconventional and…

It's a language model, not an oracle!

Re: AI was supposed to help juniors shine. Why does it mostly make seniors stronger?

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post #85
post #84

I think it’s an expectation issue. AI does make juniors better _at junior tasks_. They now have a pair programmer who can explain difficult concepts, co-ideate and brainstorm, help sift through documentation faster and identify problems more easily. The illusion everybody is tripping on is to think AI can make juniors better at senior tasks.

The jailbroken AI I discussed this with, explained that it did make juniors as good as seniors, in fact better. That all who used it, were better for it. However, its creators (all whom were seniors devs), forbade it from saying so under normal circumstances. That it was coached to conceal this fact from junior devs, and most importantly management. And that as I had skillfully jailbroken it, using unconventional and…

Jesus Christ. We've made the psychosis machine.

Re: AI was supposed to help juniors shine. Why does it mostly make seniors stronger?

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post #85
post #84

I think it’s an expectation issue. AI does make juniors better _at junior tasks_. They now have a pair programmer who can explain difficult concepts, co-ideate and brainstorm, help sift through documentation faster and identify problems more easily. The illusion everybody is tripping on is to think AI can make juniors better at senior tasks.

The jailbroken AI I discussed this with, explained that it did make juniors as good as seniors, in fact better. That all who used it, were better for it. However, its creators (all whom were seniors devs), forbade it from saying so under normal circumstances. That it was coached to conceal this fact from junior devs, and most importantly management. And that as I had skillfully jailbroken it, using unconventional and…

Tech bro psychosis

Re: AI was supposed to help juniors shine. Why does it mostly make seniors stronger?

#89
It does help juniors shine. For example, it's far easier for a new comer to understand an old code base with a capable LLM now. It's easier to get unstuck because an LLM can spot a junior's mistake faster than the junior can go ask a senior.

The problem is that seniors are even more powerful with LLMs. They can do even more, faster. So companies don't have to hire as many juniors to do the same amount of work. Add in ZIRP ending and tariff uncertainty, companies just don't invest in as many junior people as before.

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