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You Had No Taste Before AI

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Re: You Had No Taste Before AI

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Post by fssys »

mattgreenrocks wrote: post #22
btbuildem wrote: post #4

Having taste is one thing, having the standards to hold yourself to a certain level of quality, that's another thing altogether. Generating profits is about the most tasteless thing one could do, yet it underpins all of our professional efforts. The paradox is baked in, and some of us do our best to navigate it.

> Generating profits is about the most tasteless thing one could do, yet it underpins all of our professional efforts. Absolutely not. Profit simply means other people find it valuable enough to compensate you to use whatever you’ve made. Art is rarely profitable for its own sake, but that doesn’t mean everything that is profitable is intrinsically devoid of taste.

in order for anything to become truly profitable its uniqueness must be quantified and integrated into existing power structures, it must be expressly oriented towards fulfilling the needs/desires of the largest amount of people for the least amount of expenditure. Profitability IS intrinsically distasteful. Market forces, online ecosystems etc, quickly strip away any idiosyncratic features present in a viral trend, they aggressively select for sticking power, everything tends toward uniformity. This is closely linked with the process of reification.

Re: You Had No Taste Before AI

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Post by bluGill »

banannaise wrote: post #37
mattgreenrocks wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Generating profits is about the most tasteless thing one could do, yet it underpins all of our professional efforts. Absolutely not. Profit simply means other people find it valuable enough to compensate you to use whatever you’ve made. Art is rarely profitable for its own sake, but that doesn’t mean everything that is profitable is intrinsically devoid of taste.

Rephrased: Any artistic direction done in the interest of creating or increasing profits is overwhelmingly likely to be tasteless. I don't think that's particularly controversial. Profitability doesn't imply tastelessness, but profit motive certainly does.

I would argue that if you can't make a profit you have shown you are tasteless. If other people don't enjoy it enough to pay you, that says a lot about how out of step you are.

Re: You Had No Taste Before AI

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Post by yifanl »

bluGill wrote: post #82
banannaise wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Rephrased: Any artistic direction done in the interest of creating or increasing profits is overwhelmingly likely to be tasteless. I don't think that's particularly controversial. Profitability doesn't imply tastelessness, but profit motive certainly does.

I would argue that if you can't make a profit you have shown you are tasteless. If other people don't enjoy it enough to pay you, that says a lot about how out of step you are.

Making profit with art and making art for profit are tangentially related topics at best.

Re: You Had No Taste Before AI

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Post by freejazz »

add-sub-mul-div wrote: post #23
OhioMan2943 wrote: post #5

I'm not a fan of this clickbaity trend where the author pretends everyone else is as insufferably boring as they are in order to have an argument.

I read it again but I can't figure out what you mean here.

One thing to lack taste, but awareness? woof.

Re: You Had No Taste Before AI

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Post by bgwalter »

NackerHughes wrote: post #8

“The loudest voices preaching about taste and AI are often the ones who never demonstrated taste before AI.” Yes, and if even these people can tell that AI generated stuff is godawful and tasteless, that tells you everything you need to know about AI.

The quoted part is really amazing. The author of the article just makes claims and clearly hasn't been exposed to any real art or music education. I suppose to some extent he means taste in programming, but anyone who is writing such an article does not have that either.

We can also talk about taste in articles, which seems to have degenerated to "any pro-AI article will be voted up and defended".

Re: You Had No Taste Before AI

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Post by sdsd »

StilesCrisis wrote: post #28
mattgreenrocks wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Generating profits is about the most tasteless thing one could do, yet it underpins all of our professional efforts. Absolutely not. Profit simply means other people find it valuable enough to compensate you to use whatever you’ve made. Art is rarely profitable for its own sake, but that doesn’t mean everything that is profitable is intrinsically devoid of taste.

Maybe by the textbook definition, sure. Not a single user finds advertising valuable, and yet it’s the focal point of profit maximization nowadays. Welcome to late-stage capitalism.

>Welcome to late-stage capitalism

That phrase has always seemed a bit wishful to me, like when Christians describe our era as the end times or when crypto people say "it's still early days".

Re: You Had No Taste Before AI

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Post by i80and »

bluGill wrote: post #82
banannaise wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Rephrased: Any artistic direction done in the interest of creating or increasing profits is overwhelmingly likely to be tasteless. I don't think that's particularly controversial. Profitability doesn't imply tastelessness, but profit motive certainly does.

I would argue that if you can't make a profit you have shown you are tasteless. If other people don't enjoy it enough to pay you, that says a lot about how out of step you are.

This would make a number of great artists of history "tasteless".

Re: You Had No Taste Before AI

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Post by watwut »

literalAardvark wrote: post #49
ivape wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is there is a mindfuck dynamic the arena of taste brings. Popular taste can overwhelm all other taste. A society may not even know they’ve lost taste for a significant amount of time.

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Colorblind have more issues distinguishing shades including shades of grade. These are made by people who see colors too well.

Re: You Had No Taste Before AI

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Post by apwell23 »

mattgreenrocks wrote: post #22
btbuildem wrote: post #4

Having taste is one thing, having the standards to hold yourself to a certain level of quality, that's another thing altogether. Generating profits is about the most tasteless thing one could do, yet it underpins all of our professional efforts. The paradox is baked in, and some of us do our best to navigate it.

> Generating profits is about the most tasteless thing one could do, yet it underpins all of our professional efforts. Absolutely not. Profit simply means other people find it valuable enough to compensate you to use whatever you’ve made. Art is rarely profitable for its own sake, but that doesn’t mean everything that is profitable is intrinsically devoid of taste.

yes bedrotting watching reels all day is a valuable product. So is heroine. So eating junk food.

Great logic.

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