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Re: Starlink is currently experiencing a service outage

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Post by opless »

throwaway77385 wrote: post #71
traceroute66 wrote: post #66

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> the technological miracle and marvel that it is Its not a miracle or a marvel, its basic physics. LEO satellites will provide better internet experience than traditional satellites because they are closer to the earth. Now, whether you want to blow smoke up Mr Musk's backside because he was the first to market with Starlink is a different subject. But it also not a subject worthy of the "miracle" or "marvel" title.…

> Most Western countries are also busy improving fibre coverage to rural areas as old copper networks get decommissioned. Ahaha, tell that to the UK countryside. I'm the last person who wants to stuff more money up Elmo's arse, but I have no other choice. Cannot wait for a competitor to show up, but just look at the head-start that Starlink has.

True.

I'm in rural UK. Blessed with fast fibre. However if the power goes out, it's a proper blackout. I'm slowly sorting out the ups situation along with nut

When the power goes out or fibre dies I cannot rely on 4/5G as they die also, so starlink is the only option

Re: Starlink is currently experiencing a service outage

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Post by traceroute66 »

throwaway77385 wrote: post #71
traceroute66 wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the technological miracle and marvel that it is Its not a miracle or a marvel, its basic physics. LEO satellites will provide better internet experience than traditional satellites because they are closer to the earth. Now, whether you want to blow smoke up Mr Musk's backside because he was the first to market with Starlink is a different subject. But it also not a subject worthy of the "miracle" or "marvel" title.…

> Most Western countries are also busy improving fibre coverage to rural areas as old copper networks get decommissioned. Ahaha, tell that to the UK countryside. I'm the last person who wants to stuff more money up Elmo's arse, but I have no other choice. Cannot wait for a competitor to show up, but just look at the head-start that Starlink has.

> tell that to the UK countryside

The UK countryside has already come a long way from where it was 5–10 years ago.

The problem with the UK is the regulatory/government environment.

The incumbent (BT) were given a large chunk of money 20 years ago for fibre deployment, but they were allowed to cherry-pick their deployments and so inevitably chose the low-hanging-fruit of the conurbations.

I would think 100% FTTC coverage will happen sooner than you think. FTTP clearly harder to forecast, most likely another 5–10 years, sadly.

You might see better 5G coverage sooner, of course.

Re: Starlink is currently experiencing a service outage

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Post by traceroute66 »

philipallstar wrote: post #77
traceroute66 wrote: post #66

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> the technological miracle and marvel that it is Its not a miracle or a marvel, its basic physics. LEO satellites will provide better internet experience than traditional satellites because they are closer to the earth. Now, whether you want to blow smoke up Mr Musk's backside because he was the first to market with Starlink is a different subject. But it also not a subject worthy of the "miracle" or "marvel" title.…

> LEO satellites will provide better internet experience than traditional satellites because they are closer to the earth. The physics is the easiest bit of what Starlink have done.

> The physics is the easiest bit of what Starlink have done.

In 2025 I don't think anybody should consider automated satellite tracking using an SDR software loop to be a miracle. ;)

Re: Starlink is currently experiencing a service outage

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Post by bamboozled »

jwr wrote: post #69
paganel wrote: post #65

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They should always have had a second, back-up option, because relying on such a brittle a thing as satellite comms when fighting a military power like Russia was bound to have issues.

I'm pretty sure they know that. Especially as Starlink is brittle mostly because of its (rather disgusting at this point) founder figure and his ramblings. But this is armchair advice: what other options do they have and how do you fund them? (most of Starlink for the Ukrainian army is being paid for by Poland)

Eutelsat OneWeb, I believe I read that it's already been deployed Ukraine. I might be wrong but I think I heard it on "Ukraine, the latest" podcast.

Re: Starlink is currently experiencing a service outage

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Post by paganel »

Joel_Mckay wrote: post #76
paganel wrote: post #68

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The drone tactics are changing by the week, to not say by the day, as I just saw a video 3-4 days ago of an Ukrainian soldier who had just cut the wire on a Russia fiber-optic drone and then a second fiber-optic drone came and took his life. So making generalisations like that might not be always right on the spot.

Yes, the fiber-units have also been used in ambush/trap setups, as they can sit dormant a lot longer. Not a good time for all involved, that is for sure. =3

> can sit dormant a lot longer

Surprised that no-one posted the video of the UA drone ambushing three Russian drones that were sitting on the ground, ready for an ambush. Here it is [1]. This is really next-level warfare from both sides directly involved. Non-fiber optic, as far as I can tell, at least not the Russian ones.

[1] https://old.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/1neozv...

Re: Starlink is currently experiencing a service outage

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Post by yzydserd »

unkulunkulu wrote: post #58
yzydserd wrote: post #34

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> appreciate the technological miracle What part of the solution is a technological miracle?

The whole possibility of it. If you put yourself in a position “one foot from success”, then you will be able to devalue any achievement this way. If you see from the point of “empty universe”, you will see magic everywhere. This is the real magic.

Personally, I think magic and miracle are terrible words to describe astounding technological achievements. The avoidance of the words in no way devalues the achievement. If anything, I feel their use devalues the achievement, assigning progress to luck or providence.

Re: Starlink is currently experiencing a service outage

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Post by WJW »

Joel_Mckay wrote: post #57
WJW wrote: post #51

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> You're just gonna have a kilometers long "wire" to control a drone? Yup. Fiber optic cables are lightweight and thin, so you can stick 10 km+ in a spindle on the drone that unwinds as you fly. > I'd much rather just lose some drones to jamming. They seem to be cheap and replaceable. They *are* cheap and replaceable, but you don't send them out for the fun of it. If the drones don't hit the vehicles/soldiers/whateve…

In general, your notions of front-line combat strategy is wrong. People on both sides used the fiber-optic platforms to target the RF Jammers/platforms first, and then deploy normal FPV platforms to chase down the soldiers. Note, one may buy a fiber network link kit for drones for around $650 USD off China online stores. Try to be more precise if you don't know something. =3

Your post doesn't address anything that I said but still complains I'm wrong. Try to be more precise too, thanks.

Re: Starlink is currently experiencing a service outage

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Post by kolla »

Xss3 wrote: post #74
throwaway77385 wrote: post #71

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> Most Western countries are also busy improving fibre coverage to rural areas as old copper networks get decommissioned. Ahaha, tell that to the UK countryside. I'm the last person who wants to stuff more money up Elmo's arse, but I have no other choice. Cannot wait for a competitor to show up, but just look at the head-start that Starlink has.

Out of all countries the UK is pretty blessed regarding rural internet access. Definitely one of the best.... Just not specifically for you.

UK has about 70% fiber coverage. Sweden has 97% network gigabit-capable coverage and we have way lower population density.

Re: Starlink is currently experiencing a service outage

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Post by SirHumphrey »

mrweasel wrote: post #79
SirHumphrey wrote: post #61

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They aren’t buried? Or do the roots tear the fibre?

A lot of countries still uses poles for cables, and fiber. It's always super weird to see when you're from an area that buries everything except high voltage powerlines. For areas with frequent earthquakes I think poles are preferred because it's easier to fix broken cables.

From the part of the Europe where I am from power lines are rarely buried, however fiber is universally buried so I haven’t even considered it could not be.
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