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All vibe coding tools are selling a get rich quick scheme

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Re: All vibe coding tools are selling a get rich quick scheme

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Everyone non-technical I know who vibe coded either ran into a bug they couldn't fix or abandoned their project. I would love to see Lovable.dev's financials, I think they're running the classic low retention, high marketing dollar consumer playbook and are burning cash fast. Base44 seems to do the same thing after getting acquired by Wix, I'm seeing more and more of their ads. As someone technical, vibe coding makes…

There sadly isn't much in the ways of masterclasses and apprenticeships these days that target established professionals, sadly. In any job sector. The userbase of trying to get started in XYZ will always be a larger, more vulnerable one to target. Even if you're honestly trying to educate the masses it only makes sense to focus on beginners first. Experts will eventually find their way, and the intermediate is this nebulous field that few even know how to target.

Re: All vibe coding tools are selling a get rich quick scheme

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The trick is that you have to be a good coder to get the most out of "vibe" coding. It works great for me, but I deploy all of the knowledge I've acquired over the decades as a professional developer. You need to know how to architect systems, what data structures and algorithms to ask for, how to design a product, many facets of graphic and user interface design, how to parcel out work, how to parallelize tasks. Eve…

Completely agreed. I’ve got about 20 years of professional software development experience. Tools like Claude Code let me build incredibly quickly when I use a stack I know intimately.

But when I try it with a stack I don’t know, I quickly find myself needing to learn the new stack to get anything done.

Extremely experienced engineers will be able to move quickly with these tools, but specialization will still exist, and I’m not clear on how juniors are going to ramp up on all of this.

It’s funny you should mention LISP macros. Five years ago, I’d have told you that the most efficient way to build something is to get an extremely experienced dev with mastery over a flexible language like LISP, and just let them go nuts. I constantly have to hold myself back from metaprogramming tricks because my coworkers won’t be able to maintain it. But on my personal projects, I really get to flex my muscles.

It occurred to me a few months ago that that’s exactly the same spot in my toolbox where Claude Code is. It’s a tool that allows one person with mastery of a tech stack to build things incredibly quickly. Look at Cursor where a tiny team has over $100M in annualized revenue.

Big companies often find themselves spreading ownership across too many hands. You know exactly how to build what you need, but you’re not allowed to touch 80% of the code involved because it belongs to a different team. But coordinating all of that is a massive amount of overhead that will derail most projects. This is why so little happens at big companies.

But these tools enable a smaller number of experts to do a job that used to take many. I expect the speed improvements to be super-linear as a result.

Of course, that brings concerns about what happens to the employment situation for devs if that happens. I hope it means that 10,000 new startups can build more ambitious products and absorb all the people who will probably be laid off by the huge corps in the next few years.

Re: All vibe coding tools are selling a get rich quick scheme

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Actually, I think hand-coders will still be around in future generations. There are still people who hand sew, weave baskets, and blacksmith. You will still have people who code by hand.

Coding is at the stage of maturing from commodity to a craft. This generation will pass it on to the next generation, and so on.

As with all crafts, there will be a great demand for quality craftsmanship. And it will command a much higher price than whatever comes out of the factory.

I generally foresee most AI generated things becoming worthless. It’s basic supply and demand. When copycats and crop up overnight in droves, whats the differentiator? The value goes way down.

I believe that winning differentiator will be quality. Uniqueness. A level of craftsmanship that an LLM can’t copy without knowing the secret sauce.

Re: All vibe coding tools are selling a get rich quick scheme

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People say this, but you'll know it's real or not when the world will drown in a mountain of AI-authored shovelware from non-engineers.

To be fair, we are currently drowning in a mountain of AI-written blogspam that makes using most popular search engines nearly impossible to find basic information. And honestly I am sure the app stores are full of apps that nobody wants and nobody uses because who needs another calculator or alarm clock app?

You won't find me arguing that AI can't dramatically speed up the process of a bad writer writing dreck, or somewhat speed up the process of a good writer writing something worth reading.

The evidence isn't quite clear yet for software.

Re: All vibe coding tools are selling a get rich quick scheme

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The trick is that you have to be a good coder to get the most out of "vibe" coding. It works great for me, but I deploy all of the knowledge I've acquired over the decades as a professional developer. You need to know how to architect systems, what data structures and algorithms to ask for, how to design a product, many facets of graphic and user interface design, how to parcel out work, how to parallelize tasks. Eve…

I 100% agree that this is how the experience is right now. I don't necessarily think it will stay this way, though. The tools are so new, we shouldn't be so sure that the future versions won't allow non-coders to code successfully.

I disagree, at least for the next 5 years or so.

Even with humans, it’s very common to ask them for something and get something back that’s completely different than what you wanted. Short of reading your mind, AI is going to require a lot of info to get the desired result.

So someone is going to have to gather requirements and break them down into a clear, well thought out set of instructions for the computer. That’s literally what programmers already do. We’re just programming in a different language now.

Re: All vibe coding tools are selling a get rich quick scheme

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Sure, if you granted me odds commiserate with my statement that "you can't be so sure", meaning I would get like 99-1 odds. I wasn't saying it will certainly reach the point where non-coders can code, I am saying we can't be certain it won't just because it can't yet

1:1 odds, but i'll give you a huge (tech-wise) time horizon of, say, 3 years?

Since you are only willing to go for 1:1 odds with a 3 year timeframe, I assume you are in agreement that it might happen? Otherwise I’m sure you would give him better odds with a larger timeframe :)

Re: All vibe coding tools are selling a get rich quick scheme

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Idk I honestly feel like it makes junior developers more valuable. Junior are devs are often a cost as make as an asset, cause they take a lot of time and attention away from senior devs. Now a junior can ask an AI like 90% of questions that would otherwise occupy a senior: - Why does this dockerfile copy these files first? - how can I find the entrypoints to this service? - is there anything related to image process…

>Now a junior can ask an AI like 90% of questions that would otherwise occupy a senior: And how does a Junior in this kind of work gain the skills that transitions them to senior? >I hear a lot of CEO hype posts saying junior devs are outdated, but idk it doesn’t make any sense to me! well yes, they aren't making sense. Hence why I think this is all a bubble. Irrational markets and all that. I don't know when it will…

> And how does a Junior in this kind of work gain the skills that transitions them to senior?

Um - by asking AI 90% of the time, and the senior 10% of the time. If anything, the senior can now mentor 10x the number of juniors.

Re: All vibe coding tools are selling a get rich quick scheme

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I was at a coffee shop a little while ago with some friends and a stranger was sitting near us working on his laptop. Someone from our group decided to strike up a conversation with him and the stranger started telling us about how now they have these AI tools that can have you make an app in a few hours and without knowing how to code. He was not a software person but look at what he is able to do with it. The impli…

Was he pushing the money making angle? Because from the description you gave my impression was that he was empowered to make things, and I see nothing wrong with that.

From what I gather he was “doing very important business things”. Like I said, I don’t know if the moral here is that everyday people now have access to technology that before required massive investment in learning programming so we should expect amazing things or if the moral of the story is that a ton of people are going to get scammed or if it is that we are going to see the same thing happen to our industry as what happened to journalism when social media became a thing.

Re: All vibe coding tools are selling a get rich quick scheme

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Was he pushing the money making angle? Because from the description you gave my impression was that he was empowered to make things, and I see nothing wrong with that.

From what I gather he was “doing very important business things”. Like I said, I don’t know if the moral here is that everyday people now have access to technology that before required massive investment in learning programming so we should expect amazing things or if the moral of the story is that a ton of people are going to get scammed or if it is that we are going to see the same thing happen to our industry as w…

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Re: All vibe coding tools are selling a get rich quick scheme

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The trick is that you have to be a good coder to get the most out of "vibe" coding. It works great for me, but I deploy all of the knowledge I've acquired over the decades as a professional developer. You need to know how to architect systems, what data structures and algorithms to ask for, how to design a product, many facets of graphic and user interface design, how to parcel out work, how to parallelize tasks. Eve…

It really depends what you're coding. I'm a former PM who can't code, and I'm currently using GPT-5 in Cursor to write an internal application for my business of acquiring and operating e-commerce brands that sell on Amazon. I'm really vibe coding (just clicking accept without ever reading any of the code changes), and it's working great! I've got a whole dashboard that's retrieving inventory and sales data from mult…

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