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Re: iPhone dumbphone

#81

Interesting! I wish Apple would expand on "Assistive Access" mode. - https://support.apple.com/guide/assistive-access-iphone/set-... They made this for people with cognitive disabilities, but it also works great for older people. It just wouldn't work for me. I need Jira, Slack, and GitHub during work hours for example. But I don't want them during non-work hours. I realize I'm describing something actually doable in…

I tried Assistive Access and I don’t think I even made it a day.

Most of these attempts to simplify things are putting idealism at odds with reality.

Re: iPhone dumbphone

#82

I have more issues with self control on my computer than on my smartphone. Anyone's got any tips for that one?

There was K9 Web Protection but it was ended in 2019 by Symantec. It was perfect because after setting up password you had to wait one week to unblock it back again :)

You can try LeechBlock. It works as plugin in all browsers.

First thirty seconds are the worst for will :)

So it is better to ask a relative/friend/parent/spouse to set up a password for you - then you cannot unblock the sites back again without them.

Re: iPhone dumbphone

#83

I never really quite got the motivation for this: The much more apparent issue is surely the lack of self-control, right? Which we all do at times. I'd rather feel confident I'm improving along that metric than to build guardrails for myself everywhere ...

I don't think self control works that way. Every decision you make causes decision fatigue, which means that the things that you encounter constantly that nag at you and take your attention have a serious impact on your day-to-day. Like, say you have the energy to make 1000 decisions throughout the day. That includes dressing well, remembering to do things, eating well, making time for side projects, etc. Say your phone provides 100 times when you have to say 'no, I'm going to make the more difficult decision and not give in to this' each day. Well, that adds up.

I have type 1 diabetes, and there's studies about this on diabetics actually. There's a huge hit to quality of life and specific kinds of burnout attributed to the thousand or so extra decisions we have to make every day to manage our blood sugar. I'd love to get rid of those, but since I can't, I'm particularly sensitive to bullshit that takes my attention or willpower like that. In my experience, people don't live on a spectrum where "I have self control" = Everything that happens to me I make the right decision even if its hard or "I have no self control" = I always make the bad decision. There's always a pool of decisions, and the further you get into the onslaught of decisions the more you're beaten down and the worse your self-control is.

It is perhaps possible to attain a monk-like state where your will is absolute and you never make any compromises (although I doubt it), but since 99.99% of us will never get there, I think there's a lot to be said for cutting out things that nudge us in the wrong direction constantly

Re: iPhone dumbphone

#84

I never really quite got the motivation for this: The much more apparent issue is surely the lack of self-control, right? Which we all do at times. I'd rather feel confident I'm improving along that metric than to build guardrails for myself everywhere ...

But this is an act of self-control, op is the 'self' setting up the system. The primary target is not compulsive instinct, but time on the phone, but the beauty is that this in turn, will remove the compulsive instinct, because it's brittle. It's like their analogy to eating healthy in the post.

Re: iPhone dumbphone

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I never really quite got the motivation for this: The much more apparent issue is surely the lack of self-control, right? Which we all do at times. I'd rather feel confident I'm improving along that metric than to build guardrails for myself everywhere ...

In an ideal world, sure, but there can be times where it's better to just lock yourself out.

Maybe breaking out of your phone is just more self-control than you currently possess. Imagine trying to get in shape but you're only allowed to lift 200+ pound weights - you simply aren't strong enough to even make progress, you need an easier task.

Or maybe you just have other priorities in the short-term. I'd love to get to the point where I can easily ignore my phone, but right now my priority is to finish unpacking after a move and getting back into the rhythm of going to the gym. As James Clear says in Atomic Habits: To break out of a bad habit, make it invisible, unattractive, difficult, and unsatisfying. Locking a phone down to barebones functionality does all three.

Finally, maybe you have a deficit of attention. I've had diagnosed ADHD since I was a child - my level of self control for addicting systems is significantly diminished compared to a "normal" person. Yes, a certain level of this learned behavior: With dedicated effort and practice, I can develop that skill and get better about distractions. However, my baseline is still lower and my progress will be slower than a neurotypical person. Crutches like this help me preserve mental energy for my day-to-day tasks instead of spending a significant portion of my mental energy fighting the urge to check my phone all day every day.

Just my perspective at least. I know everyone is different and I aspire to be the kind of person that doesn't need to employ blockers and safeguards just to ensure I don't end up getting sucked into doomscrolling for 2 hours, but right now I'm working with what I've got.

Re: iPhone dumbphone

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I do this too, and have them set the recover apple id to their own. Been averaging ~1.2 hours per day screentime the last few months (mostly messaging apps). Basically in "downtime" mode all the time with a few "Always allowed" app. One thing is, you're phone (and it's browser) is pretty damn useless. Overtime you realize that a lot of things you need to lookup don't need to be looked up, etc but it can be frustratin…

That's how my children's iPads are too. Permanent downtime, with a few always allowed apps, and the rest on demand. And indeed, the most frustrating part is when my daughter needs to do some research for school. I'd have to allow each and every website she visits, so I temporarily un-downtime her phone instead... Edited to add: for some reason, time limits never worked for my kids (they could always override them wit…

You can block a lot of sites directly in router setup. It is password protected and almost impossible to override or hack.

In case your kids hack the router you know that they have Kevin Mitnick skills :)

Re: iPhone dumbphone

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

suggestion to install apps in a detox thread

I don’t think that delivery service apps make you hooked on your phone. It’s high value information (assuming you care when exactly your stuff arrives) that you get quickly without distractions. IMO it’s less distracting than email apps (again, assuming you care about your emails).

I would never install one of these apps (more for security/privacy than information detox) but if Uber can abuse the notification system for advertising then it wouldn't surprise me if these companies would too.

Re: iPhone dumbphone

#88

I wonder what the author is doing with those 2 extra hours of time he's not using his phone. I use my phone a lot, but I never feel like it's taking away from me doing anything else.

Going back to reading magazines and shampoo bottles in the bathroom?

Re: iPhone dumbphone

#89

> It’s common to rack up 4 hours or more of screen time a day on your phone. Here’s one way to see the cost of that: every 20 years, you lose 5 years of your waking time looking at your phone. This is interesting because I suspect most people use their phone while doing other things. I’m in a meeting commenting on this article with my phone. I’ve got maybe 15min a day of “I’m only paying attention to my phone” but I…

Seems way too common. People pull out their phone at every commercial break, lull in conversation, or stoplight. People's attention span is cooked.

Re: iPhone dumbphone

#90
post #85

I never really quite got the motivation for this: The much more apparent issue is surely the lack of self-control, right? Which we all do at times. I'd rather feel confident I'm improving along that metric than to build guardrails for myself everywhere ...

In an ideal world, sure, but there can be times where it's better to just lock yourself out. Maybe breaking out of your phone is just more self-control than you currently possess. Imagine trying to get in shape but you're only allowed to lift 200+ pound weights - you simply aren't strong enough to even make progress, you need an easier task. Or maybe you just have other priorities in the short-term. I'd love to get t…

A good analogy is if you've ever tried to eat healthier and cut out most junk food from your diet. If you're anything like me, that is a LOT easier if you don't have a sleeve of oreos in the fridge and a quart of ice cream in the freezer, at least at first. Maybe after months and months of dedicated dieting, you can allow yourself to indulge in 1-2 cookies after dinner, but when you're first getting started, a cold turkey approach can be much easier, as you have to exercise a lot less willpower if the temptation isn't readily at hand.
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