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Clankers Die on Christmas

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Re: Clankers Die on Christmas

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Post by totallymike »

bbor wrote: post #62
aaroninsf wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wouldn't say popular It has a strong smell of "stop trying to make fetch happen, Gretchen."

It's definitely popular online, specifically on Reddit, Bluesky, Twitter, and TikTok. There's communities that have formed around their anti-AI stance[1][2][3], and after multiple organic efforts to "brainstorm slurs" for people who use AI[4], "clanker" has come out on top. This goes back at least 2 years[6] in terms of grassroots talk, and many more to the original Clone Wars usage[7]. For those who can see the obvi…

Citations eight and nine amuse me.

I readily and merrily agree with the articles that deriving slurs from existing racist or homophobic slurs is a problem, and the use of these terms in fashions that mirror actual racial stereotypes (e.g. "clanka") is pretty gross.

That said, I think that asking people to treat ChatGPT with "kindness and respect" is patently embarrassing. We don't ask people to be nice to their phone's autocorrect, or to Siri, or to the forks in their silverware drawer, because that's stupid.

ChatGPT deserves no more or less empathy than a fork does, and asking for such makes about as much sense.

Additionally, I'm not sure where the "crushed by Woke" nonsense comes from. "It's so hard for the kids nowadays, they can't even be racist anymore!" is a pretty strange take, and shoving it in to your comment makes it very difficult to interpret your intent in a generous manner, whatever it may be.

Re: Clankers Die on Christmas

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Post by Modified3019 »

chilmers wrote: post #21

“I don’t think this kind of thing [satire] has an impact on the unconverted, frankly. It’s not even preaching to the converted; it’s titillating the converted. I think the people who say we need satire often mean, ‘We need satire of them, not of us.’ I’m fond of quoting Peter Cook, who talked about the satirical Berlin cabarets of the ’30s, which did so much to stop the rise of Hitler and prevent the Second World War…

Completely off topic, but related to your post, I came across this recently, which does a good job describing how ineffective criticism/satire is at stopping people who don’t care.

“During the Vietnam War, which lasted longer than any war we've ever been in -- and which we lost -- every respectable artist in this country was against the war. It was like a laser beam. We were all aimed in the same direction. The power of this weapon turns out to be that of a custard pie dropped from a stepladder six feet high. (laughs)”

-Kurt Vonnegut (https://www.alternet.org/2003/01/vonnegut_at_80)

The whole article is unfortunately very topical.

Re: Clankers Die on Christmas

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Post by jimmydddd »

fsckboy wrote: post #69
glimshe wrote: post #43

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Don't confuse with "clUnker", an old car/machine.

nor with "clackers", and insanely dangerous early 70s toy consisting of two glass balls you smash together at accelerated speeds right in front of your face. I guess they were trying to make us feel better that they were taking our jarts away.

Thanks for the reminder of that! This girl who sat behind me in second grade was great with clackers. Also, my memory is a bit foggy, but I don't think the jart ban was until eigth grade. So no causality there. Pop Rocks causing internal explosions and spider eggs in Bubble Yum occured somewhere between Clackers and Jarts. :-)

Re: Clankers Die on Christmas

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Post by flykespice »

progbits wrote: post #53
flykespice wrote: post #34

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Perhaps because it's a fictional slur that is cleary a play on the n-word, a real racist slur?

What's the connection between those two words? You know, aside the -er ending like in say teacher.

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Re: Clankers Die on Christmas

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Post by sidrag22 »

taco_emoji wrote: post #45

i'm as anti-LLM as they come but anybody using the word "clanker" is embarassing themselves

i agree, sounds strange and like something that should have never caught on at all. the moral argument of this being a derogatory term aside, it doesn't even seem to capture that well and sounds so out of place. another that comes to mind is "toasters" from Battlestar Gallactica. both terms to me just feel weird and "written".
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