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Re: US to target more businesses after Hyundai raid

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Post by ben_w »

knowitnone2 wrote: post #72
ben_w wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Comparative advantage. Consider this vague hypothetical, because I'm not American and don't care about the specifics: Country A, average wage X; country B, minimum wage for legal residents 2X. People from A can on average get a pay rise by working in B while undercutting legal residents of B. Citizens of B then get the stuff cheaper than they otherwise would have, but also might not be as easy to employ. Are current…

no company is telling on themselves saying "We hire illegal immigrants to harvest our crops and paying them below minimum wage"

Course not. Even just the first half, "We hire illegal immigrants", isn't that directly a crime itself?

Re: US to target more businesses after Hyundai raid

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Post by ivewonyoung »

Guvante wrote: post #76
FirmwareBurner wrote: post #68

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>Who said anything about excusing crime? The person I was replying to. Did we read the same comment? His argument was that the US is wrong to deport Hyundai workers here without legal visas since in his mind, an Apple worker from the story in the book he read, also didn't have legal visa to travel to China on a whim, even though his argument is 100% bogus since the Apple worker most definitely have a visa for that, a…

Please don't pretend that asking to leave the country is the same thing as detaining. Using deport to reference throwing people in jail is deceptive at best.

They're just about to fly home free as we speak.

https://nypost.com/2025/09/07/us-news/south-korea-and-us-rea...

Re: US to target more businesses after Hyundai raid

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Post by neither_color »

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #68
neither_color wrote: post #64

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Who said anything about excusing crime? At least dozens of valid visa holders were caught in the dragnet, some appear to have been in a gray area as to what they were allowed to do(the "strawman" in question), and some were truly sub-sub contracted illegals. The latter could have been apprehended without all the spectacle, and the grey area could've been dealt with tactfully without offending our ally, like, "hey you…

>Who said anything about excusing crime? The person I was replying to. Did we read the same comment? His argument was that the US is wrong to deport Hyundai workers here without legal visas since in his mind, an Apple worker from the story in the book he read, also didn't have legal visa to travel to China on a whim, even though his argument is 100% bogus since the Apple worker most definitely have a visa for that, a…

Ok I see where the confusion was. The point of comparison was not somebody with no visa at all going to China.

An early 2000s US employee with a valid multi-entry business visa (i.e type M), flying to China on short notice and doing hands on work that goes beyond simple meetings is what is directly comparable to what happened to some Koreans on B1s in Georgia.

If the goal is to encourage more investment in the US for the purposes of developing industry here, then I believe the way this law was enforced was not tactful and dissuades other investments. If allies feel they are forced to do this(and not just wantonly breaking the law just because) then perhaps it's a sign that we're not doing enough to facilitate these investments.

If they come down too hard on Hyundai it doesnt guarantee this factory will go to 100% Americans, there may not even be a factory!

Re: US to target more businesses after Hyundai raid

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Post by [deleted] »

Guvante wrote: post #77
jibe wrote: post #7

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"US to target more businesses" - they are!

What specific action did the US government take against Hyundai here? Or did they just gut their workforce and claim that was "enough of a penalty". Historically the US has implicitly condoned these illegal actions by employers by refusing to ever take action against them. There has only ever been action taken against employees, who sometimes aren't even meaningfully informed that they are breaking the law. (Certainl…

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Re: US to target more businesses after Hyundai raid

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Post by ivewonyoung »

Guvante wrote: post #77
jibe wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"US to target more businesses" - they are!

What specific action did the US government take against Hyundai here? Or did they just gut their workforce and claim that was "enough of a penalty". Historically the US has implicitly condoned these illegal actions by employers by refusing to ever take action against them. There has only ever been action taken against employees, who sometimes aren't even meaningfully informed that they are breaking the law. (Certainl…

> What specific action did the US government take against Hyundai here?

There are levels of plausible deniability that need to be pierced for actions to stand up in a court of law. Hyundai has already claimed these workers were not employees and were subcontractors or sub-subcontractors. Just the negative press and pressure from the SK govt may do a lot in the future for Korean carmakers to try and do better checking on workers working in their factories.

Re: US to target more businesses after Hyundai raid

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Post by Bender »

knivets wrote: post #85

Somehow this article is no longer on the first page[0] (or even second) of hn even though it has more upvotes (and is newer) than other articles with less upvotes (or older ones). Is HN hiding politically controversial articles? [0] https://imgur.com/a/e7EplV6

They fall off the main page when people start flagging. If enough people flag it will instead be [flagged]. For a period of time it can get vouched if [flagged] and then [flagged][dead].

Re: US to target more businesses after Hyundai raid

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Post by crooked-v »

A4ET8a8uTh0_v2 wrote: post #53
crooked-v wrote: post #42

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> why? Because without immigration, the population of the US will objectively shrink over time, and that's bad for both the country in the abstract and the personal welfare of the average middle class person as they reach old age.

Interesting, you do think the local populace is not capable of breeding? If so, can you point to the why? I might be leading you a little, but I promise only a little.

The US has a fertility rate of 1.6 (https://apnews.com/article/fertility-rate-us-low-cdc-replace...), i.e., 1.6 kids per 2 parents. Better social services and social safety nets would likely increase this some, but it would still probably be under 2, since that's the general trend for wealthy countries.

Re: US to target more businesses after Hyundai raid

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Post by crooked-v »

Guvante wrote: post #75
pfannkuchen wrote: post #47

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I don’t really understand this way of thinking. If someone from USA breaks a law at some point, that doesn’t prevent USA from enforcing a similar law in the future. Not everything is universalist - the interests of the parties are at odds here, and restricting oneself to behaving in a universalist fashion (as a nation) when nobody else does that will just put you at a disadvantage. On the Jobs example - do you expect…

There is a difference between enforcing the law (you can't bring workers here on a tourist visa) and raiding a factory putting everyone into jail. For the purposes of "was it a reasonable action" yes it is important to understand how the US has acted in the past.

In this case for at least some of those people there was no visa and no visa needed. South Koreans can make trips for business purposes to the US without any extra paperwork as long as it's under 90 days.

It's true that what counts as 'business' and not 'work' has always been an ambiguous line, but given that the arrestees include executives who generally haven't been historically subject to this kind of treatment, I'm sure the lawyers could make a very good argument in their favor.

Re: US to target more businesses after Hyundai raid

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Post by crooked-v »

ivewonyoung wrote: post #82
Guvante wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please don't pretend that asking to leave the country is the same thing as detaining. Using deport to reference throwing people in jail is deceptive at best.

They're just about to fly home free as we speak. https://nypost.com/2025/09/07/us-news/south-korea-and-us-rea...

After 'negotiations' by South Korea, which, going by the historical pattern, almost certainly means Trump holding those people hostage while demanding incoherent concessions from the South Korean government.
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