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Re: Age Simulation Suit

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Post by amarant »

ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #59
amarant wrote: post #21

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This! My grandmother adopted a dog late in her life. She walked 10km a day with that dog for nearly 20 years! (That dog was the oldest dog I've ever known). At 92 she was famous in my small village, she was in better shape than some of the 30 year olds! Then the dog died. Instead of walking 10km per day, she lay on the couch staring at the ceiling. About 3 months later she started getting lost on her way to the super…

I'm 63. I make a point of walking 5Km (3 miles), every morning. I'm usually out the door, by 0530, and back in about 50 minutes. I was running, but kept getting injured, so it switched to walking, several years ago. I think keeping my mind occupied is just as important. It's entirely possible that the visual stimulus of her walks was as important as the exercise. For myself, I make a point of constantly working on sh…

Yeah I think you're right! And it's not just the visual stimulus either! She'd walk through pretty much the entire village, including a few homes that smack in the middle of nowhere. And she'd say hello to everyone she passed! Once in a while she'd stop and have chat...

After the dog died she only talked to people if they came into her home.

I think the social aspect of her walks was very important for her health too. Like you say, it's all about exercising that noggin',as well as the body!

Re: Age Simulation Suit

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Post by ACCount37 »

kulahan wrote: post #77
ACCount37 wrote: post #67

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I would appreciate if the "norm" was recognized to be not having your body rot away over time. It really is simple: aging is incredibly harmful and undesirable. It strips away your quality of life until there isn't much left and then you die. It doesn't take any more than that for it to be declared a disease. Whether it's "natural" or whether "everyone has it" is a distraction. If everyone was born with cancer, that…

I wouldn’t call one of the most essential parts of the life process (moving towards the end of your life involuntarily) a disease. It’s actually very disturbing how people seem not to be worried about the growing potential for immortality. THAT is a disease, if anything.

If you want to decay and rot and die a miserable death, that's your choice. If your genuine preference is that all of your friends and family and your own children should decay and rot and die a miserable death too, then that's your opinion and you can hold onto it.

But don't you dare force that outcome onto everyone.

In my eyes, "decay and rot and the inevitability of a miserable death is a good thing actually" is a fucking insane viewpoint to hold. The only possible reason I see to hold onto it is that it's the socially accepted cope. If you truly believe that nothing can be done about aging, then "death is good acktually" makes for a good coping mechanism.

I'd rather humans cope less and problem-solve more.

Re: Age Simulation Suit

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Post by MontyCarloHall »

stavros wrote: post #80
MontyCarloHall wrote: post #73

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>but many simply chose to not do anything to avoid the aging Thank you for saying this. A depressingly large proportion of people are seemingly resigned to the fact that once you hit 40-50, you'll inevitably turn into an achy tub of lard and it's rapidly and irreversibly downhill from there. Barring injuries that are truly irreversible (e.g. severe damage to joints/cartilage), with the correct diet and fitness regime…

I've noticed that the difference between 30 and 40 isn't the level of performance I have, but how quickly performance drops when I stop exercising. In my 30s, I could just not go to the gym for months, and I'd be fine. Now, if I don't go for a few weeks, stuff starts aching.

This is very true, which is why consistency is so key. I think the reason so many people perceive their health falling off in their 40s is that this is when the cumulative weight of increasing life responsibilities (kids, career advancement, caring for elder relatives, etc.) really hits hard, making it more and more difficult to find time/energy for regular exercise.

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Post by ACCount37 »

carlosjobim wrote: post #78
ACCount37 wrote: post #67

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I would appreciate if the "norm" was recognized to be not having your body rot away over time. It really is simple: aging is incredibly harmful and undesirable. It strips away your quality of life until there isn't much left and then you die. It doesn't take any more than that for it to be declared a disease. Whether it's "natural" or whether "everyone has it" is a distraction. If everyone was born with cancer, that…

All living beings have protective mechanism against all the degenerative effects of aging, and this has been true for over a billion years now. That protective mechanism is reproduction. Your viral infections, bacterial infections, broken bones, bad backs, polluted lungs, corrupted mind, and just general wear and tear, does not get transmitted. It's a clean start in life.

And the "protective mechanism" humans have against dementia is that they eventually stop being capable of feeding themselves and die.

Which does get rid of dementia alright. But I fail to see that as an acceptable solution.

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Post by cindyllm »

ACCount37 wrote: post #82
kulahan wrote: post #77

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I wouldn’t call one of the most essential parts of the life process (moving towards the end of your life involuntarily) a disease. It’s actually very disturbing how people seem not to be worried about the growing potential for immortality. THAT is a disease, if anything.

If you want to decay and rot and die a miserable death, that's your choice. If your genuine preference is that all of your friends and family and your own children should decay and rot and die a miserable death too, then that's your opinion and you can hold onto it. But don't you dare force that outcome onto everyone. In my eyes, "decay and rot and the inevitability of a miserable death is a good thing actually" is a…

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Re: Age Simulation Suit

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Post by kulahan »

ACCount37 wrote: post #82
kulahan wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wouldn’t call one of the most essential parts of the life process (moving towards the end of your life involuntarily) a disease. It’s actually very disturbing how people seem not to be worried about the growing potential for immortality. THAT is a disease, if anything.

If you want to decay and rot and die a miserable death, that's your choice. If your genuine preference is that all of your friends and family and your own children should decay and rot and die a miserable death too, then that's your opinion and you can hold onto it. But don't you dare force that outcome onto everyone. In my eyes, "decay and rot and the inevitability of a miserable death is a good thing actually" is a…

If you want the world to be run by a 700 year old Xi jinping, if you want your children to suffer under a thousand year rule of monopolistic Bezos, if you want to see Altered Carbon become a reality, then that’s your opinion and you can hold on to it.

But don’t you dare force that on anyone else.

See how unconvincing these platitudes are?

I literally cannot imagine why you would want infinite life. The short timespan is 99% of the reason life is so valuable. We need to do what we can with the time we’re given.

I never said nothing could be done about aging anyways. I think we’ll reach the point where people only die when they choose to.

That’s also a pure dystopia, because it’s beyond naive to think this would be some commonplace technology afforded to everyone and not just the ruling class.

Imagine if King George were still ruling England. No rules can change ever - he’s the king. Hope you like eternal monarchy.

I sometimes wonder if people are so afraid of death because they never talk about it frankly? My wife and I converse about it regularly.

Re: Age Simulation Suit

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Post by specialist »

coldcode wrote: post #62

The site is slow so I can't see it. I'm 68, eat well, lost 20 pounds, work out twice a week. Everything is working fine. But I live in a place surrounded by people in walkers, wheelchairs, or using canes. Some of them have had strokes or accidents making improvement hard, but many simply chose to not do anything to avoid the aging. You don't ordinarily wind up with a walker at a single point; it often starts many yea…

Yes and: Maintain your balance. Get tested (assessed). Do the exercises. (For anyone who hasn't heard.)

My mom and her bf were hard core. Swimming, biking, running, the works.

They served as one of the hosts for BBC's program Are You Fitter Than a Pensioner? [2010] https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00tyr5n My mom was 70 at the time. Spoiler: The seniors smoked the youths.

Alas, as with so many: falls -> injury -> idleness -> decline.

Some balance stuff can't be helped. Mom's bf got spells of vertigo; apparently the little balancing sensor bone inside the ear gets loose with age.

Re: Age Simulation Suit

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Post by captainkrtek »

coldcode wrote: post #62

The site is slow so I can't see it. I'm 68, eat well, lost 20 pounds, work out twice a week. Everything is working fine. But I live in a place surrounded by people in walkers, wheelchairs, or using canes. Some of them have had strokes or accidents making improvement hard, but many simply chose to not do anything to avoid the aging. You don't ordinarily wind up with a walker at a single point; it often starts many yea…

My grandma is 90 and still lives alone, walks around her neighborhood daily, and swims in a community pool outside her back door. She attributes it (I think rightfully) to a lot of walking and activity throughout her life.

Probably some good genes too (her brother is 100, her sister just passed at 104)

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Post by munificent »

Karrot_Kream wrote: post #65
munificent wrote: post #61

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There is a profound psychological difference between: "My legs are sore from running yesterday but it means the muscles are getting stronger and I'll be healthy." And: "There is this weird twinge in my back. Did I sleep weird and it will be fine tomorrow? Or do I have to start doing more stretches and if I keep up with that forever, I can keep this pain at bay? Or does it mean that one of the vertebrae is starting to…

You can have the same feelings toward pain from physical activity. "Did I strain my shoulder in my workout or did I tear a ligament??" or "Are the ligaments in my foot sore from snowboarding or did I tear my ACL??" I used to be afraid of this kind of thing all the time when I first started being active. My general point is that regular physical activity gives you psychological faith in the resilience of the human bod…

I agree with you totally that being physically active is important for being healthy.

And I think there's something to be said for your point that experiencing pain and seeing yourself recover from it can be helpful for processing pain psychologically. You could look at it as sort of exposure therapy for pain.

But I also think that the kinds of pains you get from exercise are quite different from the psychological experience of pain from a serious injury and the former doesn't really prepare you for the latter.

It's hard to explain unless you've been there. Most of the time, pain is a signal from your past telling you about something you did. It's your body's way of saying "don't do that again". But when a severe injury happens, it can also be an omen for your future. Your body saying "no, you don't get to do that anymore".

Processing that is difficult, especially given how uncertain the signal actually is.

Re: Age Simulation Suit

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Post by lurking_swe »

ACCount37 wrote: post #82
kulahan wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wouldn’t call one of the most essential parts of the life process (moving towards the end of your life involuntarily) a disease. It’s actually very disturbing how people seem not to be worried about the growing potential for immortality. THAT is a disease, if anything.

If you want to decay and rot and die a miserable death, that's your choice. If your genuine preference is that all of your friends and family and your own children should decay and rot and die a miserable death too, then that's your opinion and you can hold onto it. But don't you dare force that outcome onto everyone. In my eyes, "decay and rot and the inevitability of a miserable death is a good thing actually" is a…

i’ll leave you with this to ponder.

It would be pretty weird if george washington, Thomas Jefferson, etc were here with us today. We’d probably still be debating if slavery is acceptable or not LOL.

People complain about boomers hoarding all the wealth and “never letting go” so younger folks can take the reins. Imagine how much worse it would be if those boomers lived until 200?

Imagine how much more fossil fuel we’d be burning if we all lived until 200?

You know how old people tend to get stubborn? Not all, but most? Now imagine if the U.S. government was comprised of mostly people age 100+. Imagine how they would do keeping up with changes that affect youngsters in 2025?

Imagine how bad the housing crisis would be in 2025.

Imagine how unmotivated people would be in day to day life if they knew they’d live to 200 years?

In summary…if everyone could easily live forever, that is not a good thing. It would drastically change society as we know it, and not 100% for the better. I’d argue it would actually make things worse.

Death is literally a biological process that affects all living organisms on this planet, and in the galaxy. Sorry if that’s hard to accept? I personally find it beautiful how “energy” is recycled once we die, through the soil, and eventually into other things - like a tree, etc.

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