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Amazon must face US nationwide class action over third-party sales

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Re: Amazon must face US nationwide class action over third-party sales

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Brave to tell about that time you fixed the snitching machine. But I appreciate you telling it and I don't think you should get downvotes

If a machine catches you doing something you weren't supposed to do, it doesn't seem like snitching. Are red light cameras snitches?

Red light cameras are put up by governments not private corporations.

Re: Amazon must face US nationwide class action over third-party sales

#82

> The consumers’ 2021 lawsuit said Amazon violated antitrust law by restricting third-party sellers from offering their products for lower prices elsewhere on rival platforms while they are also for sale on Amazon. I've noticed that third-party sellers generally get around this by having the same list price on their own site, but basically offering everyone a coupon for 15-30% off. Not just for signing up for e-mails…

I immediately just click the back button when some spin wheel discount thing pops up, I just figured it was temu leaking. Thank you for explaining why they are doing this, tho I still wonder why it has to be gamified and not just, click here for a coupon, is it because the agreement with Amazon precludes them from offering coupons, but neglects to forbid casino games?

I think it's just a psychological trick, I'm sure there's some statistic showing that if people think they won a larger discount by chance they're more likely to use it or something. I don't think there's any connection to Amazon, as some sites do just provide regular coupons.

Re: Amazon must face US nationwide class action over third-party sales

#83
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Sorry, I don't agree that any of that fundamentally changes the wild argument that "we've wronged too many people to be held accountable!". But, hey, I'm just a rando on the internet. Feel free to disregard this comment.

For one, they can still be held to account through individual lawsuits. Also at least part of the reason behind class action lawsuits is to streamline the lawsuit process. If a lawsuit ends up taking 100 years because that's long it takes to adjudicate each class member (which was the case in a prior unrelated lawsuit), then arguably a class action lawsuit is a poor fit. As the saying goes, justice delayed is justice…

> For one, they can still be held to account through individual lawsuits.

No-one's suing Amazon for this on an individual basis. And nor is any lawyer taking this case for a few bucks (literally).

That doesn't mean there has been a wrong. That's part of the purpose of a class action.

> If a lawsuit ends up taking 100 years because that's long it takes to adjudicate each class member (which was the case in a prior unrelated lawsuit)

Citation?

Re: Amazon must face US nationwide class action over third-party sales

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> Amazon argued that the class was too large to be manageable Sorry, we've wronged too many people to be held accountable! What a wild argument.

Manageable isn't just from Amazon's side, it is also an argument from the side of the plaintiffs. e.g. "This class is too diverse. It will be like herding 300 million cats, which decreases the likelihood of arriving at a suitable settlement. Better to split this into multiple classes with more specific grievances". Everyone benefits from the class being manageable (except maybe the plaintiffs' attorneys, who just wan…

"decreases the likelihood"?

What's the difference between a class of 20M and one of 200M? 99.98% of them aren't being surveyed for specific grievances, they're ticking a box on a letter or on a website. Let's not pretend that they're all getting surveyed for their desired outcome.

Re: Amazon must face US nationwide class action over third-party sales

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If a machine catches you doing something you weren't supposed to do, it doesn't seem like snitching. Are red light cameras snitches?

Red light cameras are put up by governments not private corporations.

I thought they tended to be by private corporations with government contracts.

Re: Amazon must face US nationwide class action over third-party sales

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> The consumers’ 2021 lawsuit said Amazon violated antitrust law by restricting third-party sellers from offering their products for lower prices elsewhere on rival platforms while they are also for sale on Amazon. I've noticed that third-party sellers generally get around this by having the same list price on their own site, but basically offering everyone a coupon for 15-30% off. Not just for signing up for e-mails…

It’s also technically illegal, in many jurisdictions, for something to be “on sale” permanently. Though lots of retailers get away with it.

I saw it with mattress shopping. Every online brand I looked at had their mattresses “on sale” pretty much always. There might be one day a week where they were full price or one week they were 15% off and 20% off the next. Rinse. Repeat.

Re: Amazon must face US nationwide class action over third-party sales

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If a machine catches you doing something you weren't supposed to do, it doesn't seem like snitching. Are red light cameras snitches?

Yes, what do you think snitching is? There's an automated security company called tattletale. That's what they do. The fact that there's so many social norms about not snitching is a beautiful illustration of how disconnected the rules we live under are disconnected from our own interests.

Isn’t that so much of why our legal system exists. You want to get to work a few minutes faster, so push through a light as it’s turning red. Another driver doesn’t expect that and the collision causes delays for hundreds of other people at best or injury or death to you or the other driver.

Re: Amazon must face US nationwide class action over third-party sales

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> Amazon argued, that the class was too large to be manageable LOL, they literally have a giant data center at their disposal and some of the best automation geniuses in the world.

The argument is that it is too large for the court to handle, not too large for Amazon to handle. Class actions work by grouping many plaintiffs who have been harmed in the same way and whose damages if they win can be addressed in the same way (e.g., everyone gets a fixed amount of money, or a fixed percentage of what they spent, or something like that). Then the cases of a small number of representatives of the cla…

Nothing a small R5 cluster can’t handle
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