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Re: If you have a Claude account, they're going to train on your data moving forward

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Post by dudefeliciano »

tiahura wrote: post #76
dudefeliciano wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is a myriad of reasons i may not want my data to be used. Maybe I am working on proprietary systems, maybe I am using Claude as a psychotherapist, maybe I use it as a tax advisor, the list goes on. Is it unrealistic to think that data may be extrapolated and connected to me in the future?

Maybe I am working on proprietary systems, maybe I am using Claude as a psychotherapist, maybe I use it as a tax advisor, the list goes on. Then use the business version.

lol wtf kind of reply is that? Maybe relevant for the proprietary system part. I guess you would be fine with a tax advisor or therapist charging you more for a "gossip free service" where they will not disclose your personal information if you just pay more.

To be clear, i don't use claude for any of those purposes, it's the principle i am talking about.

Re: If you have a Claude account, they're going to train on your data moving forward

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Post by currymj »

rkomorn wrote: post #62
some_random wrote: post #61

Title is misleading, they're now opt-out rather than opt-in to your data being used for training. All you have to do is flip a single switch in the options to turn it off, I don't understand why everyone is treating this as being such a big deal. Edit: I just logged in to opt out, they presented me with the switch directly. It was two clicks.

I think any switch from opt-out-by-default to opt-in-by-default sucks, especially when it has no clear immediate benefit to the person being opted in. Disclaimer: not a Claude user (not even a prospective one)

i think skepticism is healthy, but they've handled this in a fairer way than any other online product i've used before.

they gave me a popup to agree to the ToS change, but I can ignore it for a month and still use the product. In the popup, they clearly explained the opt-out switch, which is available in the popup itself as well as in the settings.

Re: If you have a Claude account, they're going to train on your data moving forward

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Post by serial_dev »

Capricorn2481 wrote: post #80
Aurornis wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand this mindset. Why would you assume anything? It took me a couple minutes at most to check when I first started using Claude. I check when I start using any new service. The cynical assumption that everything's being shared leads to shrugging it off and making no attempt to look for settings. It only takes a moment to go into settings -> privacy and look.

> It only takes a moment to go into settings -> privacy and look. Do you have any reason to think this does anything?

Jira ticket Nr 97437838. Training service ignores settings, trains on your data anyway. Priority: extremely low. Will probably do it in 2031 when the intern joins.

Re: If you have a Claude account, they're going to train on your data moving forward

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Post by efficax »

Aurornis wrote: post #78
AlecSchueler wrote: post #5

Am I the only one that assumed everything was already being used for training?

I don't understand this mindset. Why would you assume anything? It took me a couple minutes at most to check when I first started using Claude. I check when I start using any new service. The cynical assumption that everything's being shared leads to shrugging it off and making no attempt to look for settings. It only takes a moment to go into settings -> privacy and look.

A silicon valley startup would never say one thing and then do another!

Re: If you have a Claude account, they're going to train on your data moving forward

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Post by lbrito »

Aurornis wrote: post #78
AlecSchueler wrote: post #5

Am I the only one that assumed everything was already being used for training?

I don't understand this mindset. Why would you assume anything? It took me a couple minutes at most to check when I first started using Claude. I check when I start using any new service. The cynical assumption that everything's being shared leads to shrugging it off and making no attempt to look for settings. It only takes a moment to go into settings -> privacy and look.

>Why would you assume anything?

Because they already used data without permission on a much larger scale, so it's a perfectly logical assumption that they would continue doing so with their users?

Re: If you have a Claude account, they're going to train on your data moving forward

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Post by troyvit »

furyofantares wrote: post #63
troyvit wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is what I don't get. It's so much simpler to use the LLMs with other tools (aider for me) that I don't understand why people are avoiding the API creating monthly accounts to begin with. Is it cheaper? Is Claude Code really that awesome or something? By not even looking at it I guess I never have to know, but from where I sit it seems like people are just putting themselves through a lot of b.s. in order to marr…

> Is it cheaper? "ccusage" is telling me I would have spent $2010.90 in the last month if I was paying via the API, rather than $200. But also I do feel Claude Code is quite a bit better than other things I've used, when using the same model. I'm not sure why though, it's a fairly simple program with only a few prompts and only a few tools, it seems like others could catch up immediately by learning some lessons from…

Daaaaamn that makes a lot of sense then. For my limited use it doesn't add up but clearly the more deeply embedded the tool is the more it makes sense.

Re: If you have a Claude account, they're going to train on your data moving forward

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Post by marssaxman »

TheRoque wrote: post #68

To be honest, these companies already stole terabytes of data and don't even disclose their dataset, so you have to assume they'll steal and train at anything you throw at them

"Reading stuff freely posted on the internet" constitutes stealing now?

Seems like an excessively draconian interpretation of property rights.

Re: If you have a Claude account, they're going to train on your data moving forward

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Post by debesyla »

vb-8448 wrote: post #33

So, I guess they run out of data to train on ... I wonder on how much they can rely on the data and what kind of "knowledge" they can extract. I never give feedback and most time (let's say 5 out of 6) the result cc produce it simply wrong. How can they know the result is valuable or not?

Maybe they can use same method as Google does - if user clicked a link and didn't try to search again, it can assume the link had intended result.

So your silence can be used as a warmish signal that you were satisfied. (...or not. Depends on your usage fingerprint.)

Re: If you have a Claude account, they're going to train on your data moving forward

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Post by michaelmior »

marssaxman wrote: post #88
TheRoque wrote: post #68

To be honest, these companies already stole terabytes of data and don't even disclose their dataset, so you have to assume they'll steal and train at anything you throw at them

"Reading stuff freely posted on the internet" constitutes stealing now? Seems like an excessively draconian interpretation of property rights.

"Reading stuff freely posted on the internet" is also very different from a business having machines consume large volumes of data posted on the Internet for the purpose of generating value for them without compensating the creators. I'm not making a value judgement one way or the other, but "reading stuff freely posted on the Internet" is an oversimplification.
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