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Re: Researchers find evidence of ChatGPT buzzwords turning up in everyday speech

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Post by jujube3 »

jazzypants wrote: post #16
milancurcic wrote: post #4

"Recent large-scale upticks in the use of words like “delve” and “intricate” in certain fields, especially education and academic writing, are attributed to the widespread introduction of LLMs with a chat function, like ChatGPT, that overuses those buzzwords." OK, but please don't do what pg did a year or so ago and dismiss anyone who wrote "delve" as AI writing. I've been using "delve" in speech for 15+ years. It's…

"The dwarves delved too greedily and too deep." - Saruman, 2002

Saruman definitely seems like the kind to use AI.

Re: Researchers find evidence of ChatGPT buzzwords turning up in everyday speech

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Post by thomascountz »

guelo wrote: post #73
diego_sandoval wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same thing as with em dashes. Some of us have been using em dashes from before ChatGPT.

I just went through your HN comment history going back to 2021 and didn't find a single —

You're making the point that OP never actually uses the em dash, by surveying their HN comments, in order to defend the notion that no one actually used em dashes prior to their proliferation by LLMs? Or do you mean something else?

Re: Researchers find evidence of ChatGPT buzzwords turning up in everyday speech

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Post by ASalazarMX »

mrbonner wrote: post #20
thallium205 wrote: post #17

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Yep I prompt my AI to do that too.

I tried but chatGPT either makes too many mistakes making me look stupid or completely ignore my prompt.

I asked Gemini flash for a 200-word paragraph on a random topic, which most people would confidently classify as LLM-generated. It produced a verbose, big-worded, third-person slop about the concept of time that IMO fulfilled my prompt (although a phillosopher firnd of mine would be a strong contestant).

> The concept of "time" is a multifaceted and complex topic that has captivated philosophers, physicists, and everyday individuals for centuries. From a scientific perspective, time can be understood as the fourth dimension of spacetime, inextricably linked with the three spatial dimensions. This notion, introduced by Einstein's theory of relativity, posits that the flow of time is not constant but can be influenced by gravity and velocity. In a more quotidian context, time is a framework for organizing events and measuring duration, allowing for the structuring of daily life and historical records. It is a fundamental element in every human endeavor, from a scheduled meeting to the progression of a civilization. The subjective experience of time, however, is a fascinating aspect, as it can feel as if it is speeding up or slowing down depending on our emotional state or the nature of our activities. This divergence between objective and subjective time highlights its elusive and deeply personal character.

I asked it to add three spelling mistakes, then to make it so most people would confidently classiffy it as human writing, and it changed to first-person and small words.

> Time is a super weird concept when you really think about it, right? It's like, one minute you're just chillin', and the next, a whole day's gone by. They say it's the fourth dimention, which is a wild idea on its own, but honestly, it feels more personal than that. Your experiance of time can totally change depending on what you're doing. A boring meeting can feel like it lasts forever, while a fun night with friends flies by in a flash. That huge diverence between how we feel time and how it actually works is what makes it so fascinating and kind of confusing all at once.

It has the three misspellings, and if the topic was more casual, It could fool me indeed. Maybe I should have asked for spelling mistakes commonly made by Spanish speakers.

Re: Researchers find evidence of ChatGPT buzzwords turning up in everyday speech

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Post by yesco »

mingus88 wrote: post #69
yesco wrote: post #13

LLMs write in a very coherent, easy to understand way. I see no reason why someone wouldn't want to copy their style or vocabulary if they want to improve their communication skills. Despite all the complaints about AI slop, there is something ironic about the fact that simply being exposed to it might be a net positive influence for most of society. Discord often begins from the simplest of communication errors afte…

When I learned that AI was trained off of internet posts, and then LLMs were the new bots making internet posts, it immediately made me think that the entire internet would degrade like a jpeg that you keep compressing and sending around I guess this is called model collapse But now I’m wondering if people are collapsing. LLMs start to sound like us. We adapt and start to sound like LLMs that gets fed into the next s…

Perhaps a surreal one where we drill past the bedrock and start to communicate in raw tokens, conveying extreme levels of depth and nuance within a single sentence?

When humans carved words into stone, the words and symbols were often suited for the medium, a bunch of straight lines assembled together in various patterns. But with the ink, you get circles, and elaborate curved lines, symbols suited to the movement patterns we can make quickly with our wrist.

But what of the digital keyboard? Any symbol that can be drawn in 2 dimensions. They can be typed quickly, with exact precision. Human language was already destined to head in a weird direction.

Re: Researchers find evidence of ChatGPT buzzwords turning up in everyday speech

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Post by adastra22 »

oasisaimlessly wrote: post #53
Aurornis wrote: post #37

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> most of us will just assume you used the slop machine and stop reading whatever you wrote From what I've seen, the people who jump to hasty conclusions about AI use mostly do it when they disagree with the content. When the writing matches what they want to see, their AI detector sensitivity goes way down.

Yeah, that's human nature.

And was true before AI. The means have changed, not the built-in human bias.

Re: Researchers find evidence of ChatGPT buzzwords turning up in everyday speech

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Post by guelo »

thomascountz wrote: post #82
guelo wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just went through your HN comment history going back to 2021 and didn't find a single —

You're making the point that OP never actually uses the em dash, by surveying their HN comments, in order to defend the notion that no one actually used em dashes prior to their proliferation by LLMs? Or do you mean something else?

I wanted to see an em dash in the wild. In these threads there are always people claiming that they use it but in practice it is very rare.

Re: Researchers find evidence of ChatGPT buzzwords turning up in everyday speech

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Post by thomascountz »

throwaway287391 wrote: post #50
diego_sandoval wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same thing as with em dashes. Some of us have been using em dashes from before ChatGPT.

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You don't want to believe people use em dashes? Why is that?

Re: Researchers find evidence of ChatGPT buzzwords turning up in everyday speech

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Post by bryanlarsen »

brendoelfrendo wrote: post #64
Taek wrote: post #55

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Genuine question, do you actually use the formal emdash in your writing? AIs are very consistent about using the proper emdash—a double long dash with no spaces around it, whereas humans almost always tend to use a slang version - a single dash with spaces around it. That's because most keyboards don't have an emdash key, and few people even know how to produce an actual emdash. That's what makes it such a good givea…

I will use a double hyphen: -- which Microsoft Word and I think most word processors I've used will auto-replace with an em dash. I will sometimes even type the double hyphen to represent an em dash in places where it doesn't get replaced, like internet comments. I'm kind of surprised more people don't use two hyphens as em dash shorthand, to be honest.

IIRC, -- for emdash used to be common on Usenet, which is where I picked it up and still do it. But there's a word for us with usenet experience -- old. (should have been a colon there, but...)

Re: Researchers find evidence of ChatGPT buzzwords turning up in everyday speech

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Post by adastra22 »

Taek wrote: post #38
lucaspauker wrote: post #2

In a similar way, I tend to avoid em dashes now when I write, even though I used to use them a lot.

Just use normal dashes. AI's very notably always use the emdash—a double long dash with no spaces around it - but humans tend to use a single dash with spaces on either side. The AI emdash is notably AI because most people don't even know how to produce the double long dash on their keyboard, and therefore default to the single dash with spaces method, which keeps their writing as quite visibly human.

My keyboard turns double dashes into em dashes.
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