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I Am An AI Hater

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Re: I Am An AI Hater

#81

I appreciate seeing this point of view represented. It's not one I personally hold, but it is one a LOT of my friends hold, and I think it's important that it be given a voice, even if -- perhaps especially if -- a lot of people disagree with it. One of my friends sent me a delightful bastardization of the famous IBM quote: A COMPUTER CAN NEVER FEEL SPITEFUL OR [PASSIONATE†]. THEREFORE A COMPUTER MUST NEVER CREATE AR…

I had to search and found the word "horny".

Re: I Am An AI Hater

#82
post #56

Is Ed Zitron's newsletter banned here? I haven't seen a single article of his on HN and he's been ranting about AI for years now.

I think it just doesn't do very well and likely gets flagged often. If I type his domain name into the search bar there are only three articles.

Re: I Am An AI Hater

#83
post #69

Yet it is here to stay, won't go away and even if it won't get any better at the useful things it does, it is useful. The externalities are real, some can be removed, some mitigated. If you're a hater and a human, then you don't have to mitigate anything, of course. Me, I hate the externalities, but I love the thing. I want to use my own AI, hyper optimized and efficient and private. It would mitigate a lot. Maybe so…

> Yet it is here to stay, won't go away Source for this claim? Are you still using Groupon?

People are.

Just like crypto.

Just look at the bitcoin hashrate; it’s a steep curve.

Re: I Am An AI Hater

#84

"Their dream is to invent new forms of life to enslave." That seems like a succinct way to describe the goal to create conscious AGI.

While some people support AGI because they yearn for "new forms of life to enslave", I think it's fair to say most people who look forward to AGI wants it because it means they may find solutions to very difficult issues we just can't with our own intelligence. It may be a pipe dream, but I can understand why people would want to believe that.

Re: I Am An AI Hater

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

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AI is information.

Even Shannon knew the limits of information late in career. AI is not information, it's signaling. And it embeds without decipherment or segregating dominance, bias, control, manipulation. The dark matter of language we can't extract.

"Shannon warned in 1956 that information theory “has perhaps been ballooned to an importance beyond its actual accomplishments” and that information theory is “not necessarily relevant to such fields as psychology, economics, and other social sciences.” Shannon concluded: “The subject of information theory has certainly been sold, if not oversold.” [Claude E. Shannon, “The Bandwagon,” IRE Transactions on Information Theory, Vol. 2, No. 1 (March 1956), p. 3.]"

Re: I Am An AI Hater

#87

Yet it is here to stay, won't go away and even if it won't get any better at the useful things it does, it is useful. The externalities are real, some can be removed, some mitigated. If you're a hater and a human, then you don't have to mitigate anything, of course. Me, I hate the externalities, but I love the thing. I want to use my own AI, hyper optimized and efficient and private. It would mitigate a lot. Maybe so…

There are plenty of things that are useful and that have gone away. As long as GenAI stays unprofitable, it has every chance of disappearing if it stays as useless as it is right now.

There's people running stable diffusion locally on their systems for their own amusement. Do you think that will go away?

Re: I Am An AI Hater

#88

"Their dream is to invent new forms of life to enslave." That seems like a succinct way to describe the goal to create conscious AGI.

The TV show Pantheon did a really cool job of exploring super intelligence from a very personal perspective, disguised in part as a scifi about living forever.

(Mild spoiler): It has a basic plot point about uploaded humans being used to tackle problems as unknowing slaves and resetting their memories to get them to endlessly repeat tasks.

Re: I Am An AI Hater

#89

I appreciate seeing this point of view represented. It's not one I personally hold, but it is one a LOT of my friends hold, and I think it's important that it be given a voice, even if -- perhaps especially if -- a lot of people disagree with it. One of my friends sent me a delightful bastardization of the famous IBM quote: A COMPUTER CAN NEVER FEEL SPITEFUL OR [PASSIONATE†]. THEREFORE A COMPUTER MUST NEVER CREATE AR…

I'm not terribly interested in emotional reactions. This is too common of a problem: we think emoting is a substitute for reasoning. Many if not most people believe that if they feel something, then it must be true; the disagreeing party just doesn't "get it". We must learn to reason and make arguments.

I am interested in the intelligible content of the thing.

Also, AI does not reason. Human beings do.

Re: I Am An AI Hater

#90
post #7

Me too. I bounce off of any product landing page that has "AI" slapped on it, which lately is ~99% of them. On the other hand, if I saw a product labelled "No AI bullshit" then I'd immediately be more interested. But that's just me, the AI buzz among non-techies is enormous and net-positive.

The AI buzz among non-techies inflates the bubble.
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