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Re: YouTube steps up fight against ad blockers again

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Post by sanswork »

scotty79 wrote: post #76
sanswork wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Without advertising how does anyone get visibility into new products? You are proposing winner take all markets when you propose banning advertising.

Single, public, online product and service database provided by the market regulator. Since the country gets income from taxing commerce it's only fair that they also provide discovery service. If you want to sell something on the market you have to enter it into this database, with the up to date price and relevant documentation. Consumers can access the database through provided UI or through 3rd party tools using…

That sounds incredibly dystopian to me. If you want to see anything to the public you must register with the appropriate government officials and hope that someone notices you in the giant list of your competitors. Of course giving too much information about why you're different would be an ad so how do consumers decide?

You're also just going to end up with the phone book model. "AAAAAASearch, AAAAAACars"

Re: YouTube steps up fight against ad blockers again

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Post by bjourne »

sanswork wrote: post #66
bjourne wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most content creators have no ad revenue at all and didn't create their videos with the intent to profit from them. Yet they help build YouTube's back catalogue and get nothing in return for it. They have no Patreon accounts or donation links. I am a "content creator" too. Not like I give a shit if people watch videos of me playing guitar with their ad blockers on.

They get free hosting and streaming software for it on top of free discoverability.

Prostitutes get free sex.

Re: YouTube steps up fight against ad blockers again

#84

Post by roscas »

bitpush wrote: post #21
roscas wrote: post #14

"About 11% of YouTube users openly say they use ad blockers. Some communities report 40-60% of viewers use ad blockers. Overall global ad blocker usage is around 42.7% for all internet users." So, almost half of people online use adblockers. I know some use adblockers that have white lists. Everyone should use uBlock Origin as it does not have white lists to allow "some" ads and it is the best adblocker and protectio…

> First we have to close every company that depend on ads to survive. All of them. Spoken like someone who has never built anything of value in the world. Even Apple, who famously "hates advertising and adtech companies" makes ads to promote their products. Ads exist for a reason. Your statement is no better than "if your company emits carbon, you need to close". Sounds nice. Doesn't work

This talk will never end. But let me make something clear.

I bought products and software before. Because I wanted them and the software was good. I used it. I even payed for apps that we 99% free and the pro version almost had anything more than the free version but I still payed, to thank the programmer. And not even use anything from the pro version.

My statements were radical. It has to be, to wake up people, because everyone seems to think ads are normal.

And ads on the web are not normal. It's a cancer. They are abusive. You can see that when companies like Facebook and Google make money.

Marketing is the cancer. If your business is to trick people and make them stay on your anti-social-plataform because they know how to mess with your mind and you don't even have a clue of what is going on... oh Facebook, Twitter, TikTok, others...

There will always be someone who says oh I don't mind ads, there might be something I need...

Re: YouTube steps up fight against ad blockers again

#85

Post by roscas »

pabs3 wrote: post #73
1vuio0pswjnm7 wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sounds didactic What about uMatrix; some might argue it is even better than uBlock Origin, at least one can use both at the same time; if "security issues" are a concern, the so-called "modern" browser is a gigantic target that sources and runs Javascript from the internet automatically; there is also the choice of not using one (hence no need for uBlock or other extensions); Javascript isn't required for downloading…

BTW uMatrix isn't maintained and has had security issues before, so it might not be the best choice.

Correct, I used it and love it, but ok, uBlock Origin does almost everything uMatrix did, I understand why the creator had to choose a path.

uBlock Origin is still the best. It does not have "white lists".

Re: YouTube steps up fight against ad blockers again

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Post by roscas »

toastercat wrote: post #74

I'm torn. I'm not a huge fan of ads and I don't have a lot of respect for the modern ad networks. However this culture of expecting websites to host the data then freeloading off it by blocking the tracking and ads is also a bit ugly. There is an unwritten social contract here. Websites are willing to host and organise a vast number of content because that'll attract an audience for ads. If there are too may freeload…

I understand this. I do disable the uBlock Origin on few selected sites.

But this topic has grown more than I could imagine. Ads are a jungle. We do need to change this. Make this companies behave and not exploit people.

Re: YouTube steps up fight against ad blockers again

#87

Post by scotty79 »

sanswork wrote: post #81
scotty79 wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Single, public, online product and service database provided by the market regulator. Since the country gets income from taxing commerce it's only fair that they also provide discovery service. If you want to sell something on the market you have to enter it into this database, with the up to date price and relevant documentation. Consumers can access the database through provided UI or through 3rd party tools using…

That sounds incredibly dystopian to me. If you want to see anything to the public you must register with the appropriate government officials and hope that someone notices you in the giant list of your competitors. Of course giving too much information about why you're different would be an ad so how do consumers decide? You're also just going to end up with the phone book model. "AAAAAASearch, AAAAAACars"

Oh, no. I can't get exploited by multitude of corporations. How dystopian. That's why we can't have nice things. Because every time an idea encroaches on some billionaire's profit it's suddenly too much power in hands other than those privately holding billions. Any government so far has been more transparent in what they do, than something like Amazon.

> you want to see anything to the public you must register with the appropriate government officials

You already have to do that for commerce. It's called incorporating.

> giant list of your competitors

Isn't that what market is? Giant amount of competitors is what's best for consumers. And what's best for them is the only thing that matters because they together have the money to foot all the bills.

> Of course giving too much information about why you're different would be an ad so how do consumers decide?

It's fine, you can provide as much documentation as you want for your product or service. You are even encouraged to provide it. Like user and service manuals for your products. Maybe you even should be required to post them if you significant amount of your product.

Consumers can decide using the provided UI, or using 3rd party tools, which can't take money to promote specific items, because that, unlike verbose entry in the database, would be an ad.

> You're also just going to end up with the phone book model. "AAAAAASearch, AAAAAACars"

Do you read all of the databases alphabetically? No, I end up with search engine, for products and services, with open data and any kind of filtering and sorting that anyone can dream of. No more enshittificarion of the result to sell clicks of confused customers.

Re: YouTube steps up fight against ad blockers again

#88

Post by roscas »

Engineers should not be worried. AI will first start to replace CEO and all managers. That will bring great value to companies.

At the same time, AI will replace politicians and become president. Just imagine a president that does the right things and no lies.

A prime minister that you can write and it will write you back with a proper decision. Government being efficient! Wow! And not someone being just an idiot trying to fake responsible spending or cut waste. And then no more contracts for their friends.

AI will be really for the people and not for the rich. End those "meetings" with all presidents and ministers who fake being really worried about something.

Any problem with the AI itself, Facebook will have a hot line where you can call... and talk to an engineer.

Re: YouTube steps up fight against ad blockers again

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Post by [deleted] »

scotty79 wrote: post #87
sanswork wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That sounds incredibly dystopian to me. If you want to see anything to the public you must register with the appropriate government officials and hope that someone notices you in the giant list of your competitors. Of course giving too much information about why you're different would be an ad so how do consumers decide? You're also just going to end up with the phone book model. "AAAAAASearch, AAAAAACars"

Oh, no. I can't get exploited by multitude of corporations. How dystopian. That's why we can't have nice things. Because every time an idea encroaches on some billionaire's profit it's suddenly too much power in hands other than those privately holding billions. Any government so far has been more transparent in what they do, than something like Amazon. > you want to see anything to the public you must register with…

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Re: YouTube steps up fight against ad blockers again

#90

Post by lcnPylGDnU4H9OF »

roscas wrote: post #84
bitpush wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> First we have to close every company that depend on ads to survive. All of them. Spoken like someone who has never built anything of value in the world. Even Apple, who famously "hates advertising and adtech companies" makes ads to promote their products. Ads exist for a reason. Your statement is no better than "if your company emits carbon, you need to close". Sounds nice. Doesn't work

This talk will never end. But let me make something clear. I bought products and software before. Because I wanted them and the software was good. I used it. I even payed for apps that we 99% free and the pro version almost had anything more than the free version but I still payed, to thank the programmer. And not even use anything from the pro version. My statements were radical. It has to be, to wake up people, bec…

Just curious: how do you feel about print ads in, e.g., a magazine or newspaper (that one receives via subscription rather than snail mail spam)?
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