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Re: Leaving Gmail for Mailbox.org

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Post by giuliomagnifico »

guerrilla wrote: post #63
giuliomagnifico wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mailbox doesn’t support it, but on mailbox you can use your IMAP app with Proton not. And on mailbox you can easily send and receive PGP encrypted mail on mailbox.org. They provide a page for key import, allowing you to send encrypted emails like regular mail when needed. It’s your choice, if you always want to use proton mail app everywhere you can use proton.

I use IMAP with Proton. Thunderbird is my main mail client. You just need to install the bridge.

Yes but only if you install the bridge as I wrote in my blog post, and on iOS iPadOS? You can’t use Apple Mail app.

Re: Leaving Gmail for Mailbox.org

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Post by commandersaki »

x0x0 wrote: post #23

I'm going to plug fastmail. Rationale: (1) tech support that actually reads your messages and replies with a solution demonstrating comprehension of the message that you wrote. Amazing. I've emailed them twice and gotten a great response both times. (2) it is the best UI I've seen outside gmail; (3) They have continued actively developing their UI, with nice updates released perhaps in the last 6 weeks. (4) keyboard…

(1) tech support that actually reads your messages and replies with a solution demonstrating comprehension of the message that you wrote. Amazing. I've emailed them twice and gotten a great response both times.

Tech support forwarded an inquiry I was asking about an IMAP command in my MUA which led to an actual engineer that said my MUA was using an outdated/deprecated part of the IMAP protocol and provided the RFC for the new way of doing things, which then lead to a patch in said MUA. Very few companies offer this calibre of support, the only other one I can think of is Tarsnap.

(2) it is the best UI I've seen outside gmail

I think it's a much better UI overall than gmail; at least I found with gmail you had to manually paginate things, I can easily do a search in FM that might have 10000 emails over 20 years and I can usually jump to a specific month/year very quickly via scroll and then from there a specific day.

(5) Instead of inbox 0, I practice inbox 50k and it handles it fine.

Similar, 37k in my Inbox, nay issue. I have probably 200k overall across different folders. But I know I'm outsourcing a service, so I do full infrequent backups via IMAP.

Here's my (7):

Fastmail has the only web interface I've come across that handles (catch-all) aliases correctly and knows how to respond with the correct one every single time. Maybe roundcube/squirrelmail can do this, but roundcube/squirrelmail overall is not very good.

Re: Leaving Gmail for Mailbox.org

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Post by Telaneo »

tsimionescu wrote: post #76
Semaphor wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unless you use some sketchy TLDs, I've not heard of that

I've seen plenty of stories of people who forget or are unable for whatever reason to renew their domain names on time.

You can pay for your domain upto 10 years in advance. It's a frontloaded cost, but if you can do that (or even just 5 years), you'll have a pretty good buffer if you just happen to be busy at whatever time of year you need to renew. This assumes you still check up on your renewal yearly, but you'd need to do that anyway if you pay yearly.

Re: Leaving Gmail for Mailbox.org

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Post by floren »

selkin wrote: post #79
floren wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You should be fine on the big providers. There's a weird horseshoe situation where anti-Google doomposting looks a lot like pro-Google FUD that I think leads people to believe only Google and maybe Microsoft are capable of sending mail any more. Something like mailbox.org should be fine. Even a carefully-chosen VPS running your own email server should be fine (works for me, no delivery problems in ~2 years)

Tell me you haven't run a large email server without telling me. There's a reason even large corporates that can easily afford the resources to run email their email themselves decide against it. There are a handful of good providers, not just Google and Microsoft, but the two hyperscalers do have very good offerings, so of course they have a lot of the market.

You're right, I run a small email server. I told you.

Re: Leaving Gmail for Mailbox.org

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Post by Telaneo »

I've been pretty happy with Mailbox.org. The web interface isn't great compared to Gmail, but I prefer Thunderbird anyway for normal usage. They used to have a weird 2FA setup, but they've since switched to the same kind everybody else use, thankfully.

Microsoft's been a bit annoying, since some emails I've sent to @hotmail.com domains go to spam, but at least they do arrive and aren't just bounced, as I've heard from some horror stories. Sending to @gmail.com accounts seems to work perfectly though. I don't send a lot of outgoing mail from my personal account anyway, so it doesn't really matter in the end. Some mails seem to take longer to arrive, but I had that problem on Gmail too, so I don't think there's anything actually wrong per se.

Re: Leaving Gmail for Mailbox.org

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Post by internet_points »

x0x0 wrote: post #23

I'm going to plug fastmail. Rationale: (1) tech support that actually reads your messages and replies with a solution demonstrating comprehension of the message that you wrote. Amazing. I've emailed them twice and gotten a great response both times. (2) it is the best UI I've seen outside gmail; (3) They have continued actively developing their UI, with nice updates released perhaps in the last 6 weeks. (4) keyboard…

> (2) it is the best UI I've seen outside gmail;

I'd say it's better (maybe gmail has features it doesn't, but fastmail does everything I need and loads much much faster than gmail)

Re: Leaving Gmail for Mailbox.org

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Post by mixedmath »

> This was a tough decision, having used Gmail since 2007/2008. However, I had to draw the line and stop giving Google my data for free. > > The problem with email is that everything is transmitted in plain text.

Interestingly, one of my biggest problems with Gmail is that they don't allow actual plaintext. I used to routinely collaborate with developers who were vision-impaired, and the official Gmail phone app wouldn't let me send them plaintext email. Instead, it was some sort of HTML thing. Unfortunately, we sometimes sent code snippets to each other over email, and though admittedly it looked more or less fine, Gmail changed the underlying representation enough that my collaborators' screen readers would mess up on the parsing.

This led to me leaving Gmail on my phone, which led ultimately to me leaving Gmail entirely.

Re: Leaving Gmail for Mailbox.org

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Post by charles_f »

> To send encrypted emails, you just select “Use PGP encrypted” when composing a new message, after importing your private key, of course.

I love the concept of PGP and how well it seems to be integrated. I also don't know a single person who uses it or a provider/software capable of decrypting it. I think that's the biggest issue with PGP. Short of asking someone directly, you don't know if they'd be able to receive a PGP encrypted email, so you wont send one.

Re: Leaving Gmail for Mailbox.org

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Post by pluc »

floren wrote: post #64
TranquilMarmot wrote: post #49

I spent the past month "de-Googling" my life after I saw a notice in my Gmail inbox that it was 20 years old. I took a step back and realized just how invested into the Google ecosystem I was. Gmail, Calendar, Docs, Drive, Maps, Keep, Photos, YouTube, FitBit, Android. Basically my entire digital life. My goal was more diversifying than security/privacy, but security/privacy is a really nice bonus. I ended up going wi…

I've taken steps to degoogle too, but like you I've rather stuck on Android because over the years I've ossified a set of tools I like (KeepassDX and Syncthing are really important, and Firefox on Android is actually damn good).

GrapheneOS lets you use Play Store apps

Re: Leaving Gmail for Mailbox.org

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Post by charles_f »

selkin wrote: post #30

> The problem with email is that everything is transmitted in plain text. That's not a Gmail problem, and no reason to migrate. Some use cases just don't fit email, and for those, we have other, more fitting platforms. > So, I went with mailbox.org that still offers integrated PGP encryption, and if you want, you can always use external PGP too (which I was already doing with Gmail). Ok, so now you have two problems.

> That's not a Gmail problem, and no reason to migrate.

It is a problem with Gmail, because they're helping themselves into your email, as was explained by the author in the sentence immediately after the one you quoted:

> Technically, Google can store every message you receive and know everything, and U.S. agencies can request access to that data

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