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Y Combinator files brief supporting Epic Games, says store fees stifle startups

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Re: Y Combinator files brief supporting Epic Games, says store fees stifle startups

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I don’t care that developers have to pay 30%, it makes no difference to me. If that fee went away… it would just give them 30% more profit.

In a lot of cases prices would go down, that extra 30% makes app development often pretty unprofitable if you aren't the store.

And a lot of things just aren't available on mobile because of the cut. Most apps which offer movies or books for sale for instance only let you view them on the phone, you have to buy on the web.

Re: Y Combinator files brief supporting Epic Games, says store fees stifle startups

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

When a normal user is highly motivated to install software, there is no such distinction from a "technical user". He wants to install AnimeWallpapersTotallyNotATrojan.app. The operating system disallows it. Then he just does a search for how to install AnimeWallpapersTotallyNotATrojan.app on iOS, and finds 20 tutorials walking him through the steps to ungate the install. You can make the expert mode dialog say "Click…

Grandma: Help me, Joey! After the neighborhood kid helped me install the coupon code app (he said something about expert mode, he is very smart!) my phone runs slow and crashes. :-( Me: ...

I love how the threat of Grandma installing malware on her phone is the new "think of the children!"

And I love how the response to shit mobile security is to lock down devices so the people who buy them don't actually own them. Instead of, y'know, actually cleaning up the security posture of these devices.

Re: Y Combinator files brief supporting Epic Games, says store fees stifle startups

#83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When a normal user is highly motivated to install software, there is no such distinction from a "technical user". He wants to install AnimeWallpapersTotallyNotATrojan.app. The operating system disallows it. Then he just does a search for how to install AnimeWallpapersTotallyNotATrojan.app on iOS, and finds 20 tutorials walking him through the steps to ungate the install. You can make the expert mode dialog say "Click…

Grandma: Help me, Joey! After the neighborhood kid helped me install the coupon code app (he said something about expert mode, he is very smart!) my phone runs slow and crashes. :-( Me: ...

There are many ways to deal with any scenario like this, all of which don't involve the device manufacturer locking ALL device owners out of ANY control over the hardware they own.

For example, you can be the administrator on Grandma's device and block access to third-party app stores which cannot be overridden by anyone (including the device manufacturer) without your credentials. Alternatively, you could delegate that authority to a provider you trust. No one is saying you can't keep choosing Apple's walled-garden app store as the only store provider or that you shouldn't be able to block any or even all app stores. Options like that can even be locked by one-time hardware fuses so they can never be changed - even by the owner. The only issue here is Apple forcing a sole monopoly on that control for themselves because it's worth billions of dollars - instead of device owners having a choice.

Re: Y Combinator files brief supporting Epic Games, says store fees stifle startups

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Probably, mobile operating systems would work more like macOS where apps can be installed directly from websites with a layer of (possibly server side) malware checking and more reliance on code signing/sandboxing. There's no inherent reason apps must be distributed via app stores.

> Probably, mobile operating systems would work more like macOS where apps can be installed directly from websites

There’s no reason to speculate on this. We already saw Apple’s vision for an iPhone without an App Store.

When the iPhone was first launched, Apple said that if you wanted to build an app for the iPhone, you should build a web app. People hated that, so Apple launched the App Store.

Re: Y Combinator files brief supporting Epic Games, says store fees stifle startups

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post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's about provisioning for credit losses. Roughly speaking, when a transaction needs to be unwound, if the merchant cannot cover the reversal (for example, because it has defaulted), then the payment processor needs to pony up instead. Note that this isn't an edge case, this is something that happens every day. If the payment processor defaults (gasp!), then the processor's sponsor bank needs to cover it. This is wh…

Okay, why does this all work basically the same in Europe, but interchange fees are capped at 0.3% by law? The reason has nothing to do with fraud or technology.

I wonder if US issuers/merchants/customers are subsidizing their European counterparts. Maybe the "right" number is for everyone to pay 1.2% or something like that.

Of course, without price controls, most businesses will charge whatever they can get away with that doesn't cause them to lose too many customers, so...

Re: Y Combinator files brief supporting Epic Games, says store fees stifle startups

#86
post #45

I think Apple should mostly be allowed to run as crappy an App Store as they want. But people should also be able to get apps from whatever store they want. (Ground rules all app stored would have to follow based on technical, security, and legal concerns would be fine too, IMO.) Of course Apple would never go for that, so we'll end up with whatever mess legal processes can wring out of them.

People are allowed to get apps from whatever store they want. There is nothing stopping someone from purchasing a device that supports the google play store and downloading whatever they want from that store.

I have no right to complain that I can't run Apple programs on a Windows computer, and Microsoft shouldn't be compelled to support MacOS software.

Re: Y Combinator files brief supporting Epic Games, says store fees stifle startups

#87
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> “Y Combinator — and the larger venture capital community — have long been hesitant to back app-based businesses that were poor investments due to the Apple Tax,” This could be good, if it encourages people to re-learn the value of open standards, like Web is supposed to be, rather than helping to perpetuate the proprietary app stores. Also, I think it's noteworthy that, once a company gets customers locked into a p…

Seriously. If Apple put even half of the effort into open web standards that they've put into building their mobile SDKs and the App Store ecosystem, we'd have webapps that would be just as capable, performant, and secure as native apps can be.

Though I'm sure then Apple would lock a lot of device access by websites behind a domain allowlist that you have to pay a bunch of money to get on.

Re: Y Combinator files brief supporting Epic Games, says store fees stifle startups

#89
post #45

I think Apple should mostly be allowed to run as crappy an App Store as they want. But people should also be able to get apps from whatever store they want. (Ground rules all app stored would have to follow based on technical, security, and legal concerns would be fine too, IMO.) Of course Apple would never go for that, so we'll end up with whatever mess legal processes can wring out of them.

People are allowed to get apps from whatever store they want. There is nothing stopping someone from purchasing a device that supports the google play store and downloading whatever they want from that store. I have no right to complain that I can't run Apple programs on a Windows computer, and Microsoft shouldn't be compelled to support MacOS software.

https://www.darlinghq.org/

seems like you can get it to run on windows via wsl if you want to run apps built for macs on your windows machine

is there a need to complain? windows might not be putting in support for it, but unlike apple in their store, they arent actively preventing you from doing so

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