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Re: Sequoia backs Zed

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Post by Jtsummers »

rtfeldman wrote: post #36
parentheses wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Note to Zed: I prefer paid products to enshittened ones. Please please please, get paid rather than holding on too tightly to making things free forcing future enshittening.

We're working on it! :) You can pay for Zed today if you'd like - https://zed.dev/pricing - and also the editor itself is open-source under the GPLv3 license. So if at any point in the future Zed changes direction in a way you don't like, you are perpetually free to build the version you liked from source (or make a community fork and take it in a different direction).

I'm enjoying using Zed, and I do pay for tools I use regularly. It's now approaching a month of daily use for me and I don't see that changing. But to echo the other replies, I'm uninterested in the LLM tools. I don't use those normally and paying for that as a way to support Zed would send the wrong signal. You have to be careful when you restrict what people can pay for, because that will become what you optimize for which may not be what your users actually care about.

Zed is fast, easy to configure (so far, maybe some hard parts I haven't run into yet), works well with the languages I care about via LSPs, and the collaboration features are compelling. I want to pay to support that, I don't want to pay for an LLM feature I don't care about that ends up distracting from the progress on the things I want to see maintained or improved.

Re: Sequoia backs Zed

#82

Post by witx »

square_usual wrote: post #48
witx wrote: post #27

> we've been building the world's fastest IDE Any data to backup this?

Well, last year, Nikita Tonsky measured it and it did worse than Sublime: https://mastodon.online/@nikitonsky/112146684329230663 It's funny how often people buy into the marketing and say "blazing fast" without actually questioning it. FWIW, I still prefer Zed because its LSP integration and vim mode are better than Sublime's.

Yes if a software markets itself like this without backing up I smell BS.

Like any company now is "global leader in X market".

Re: Sequoia backs Zed

#83

Post by azemetre »

nerdypepper wrote: post #64
azemetre wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Definitely sounds very eerie. Luckily there are open source solutions that do just this with no AI integration: https://github.com/atuinsh/atuin

how is atuin doing what deltaDB does?

ah not much at all, did too much selective reading on my end. Should have read the entire blog and not the quoted selection.

Re: Sequoia backs Zed

#84

Post by eikenberry »

fkyoureadthedoc wrote: post #29
esafak wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can we see?

It's apparently this but I can't really say that I get it: https://bablr.org He seems to be saying he spent $350k making this. I guess it's some tooling for writing parsers. He has this to say about Zed: > Zed: Founded by Atom’s dev team, Zed was the rewrite that Atom always wanted to be able to do but couldn’t when Microsoft bought Github and made the executive decision to kill a product it might otherwise have had…

I don't think they are doomed to be a VSCode knock-off due to their technical decisions. I think they decided to be a VSCode knock-off by design. I mean they follow the same project oriented GUI design that VSCode and Sublime helped make popular. There is nothing inherent to their tech that required that.

Re: Sequoia backs Zed

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Post by markus_zhang »

spudlyo wrote: post #25
mccoyb wrote: post #20

I love the spirit of Zed. From the principles to the low-level implementation details, it all screams "good taste". It's immensely interesting as an object of study (the code is great, from GPUI all the way up). Having said that, I don't think an editor should be VC backed. It's the obvious pragmatic choice to get a team together to support a thing, but I'm concerned by it.

The problem with accepting VC money is they will eventually demand a return on their investment, which means that the forces that drive enshitification will eventually come for Zed in some form. I suspect that we'll see more and more features locked behind a paid subscription and the open core of the editor will become neglected over time. Here I am on my free-as-in-freedom operating system, making commits with my fr…

I might HAVE to learn EMacs (prefer over Vim) because I think eventually everything else will be tainted by mandatory AI features and/or subscriptions.

Re: Sequoia backs Zed

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Post by bogwog »

square_usual wrote: post #48
witx wrote: post #27

> we've been building the world's fastest IDE Any data to backup this?

Well, last year, Nikita Tonsky measured it and it did worse than Sublime: https://mastodon.online/@nikitonsky/112146684329230663 It's funny how often people buy into the marketing and say "blazing fast" without actually questioning it. FWIW, I still prefer Zed because its LSP integration and vim mode are better than Sublime's.

It's commendable to try and challenge Sublime, the undisputed performance champion in GUI text editing, but making false claims is a massive red flag.

I know it probably didn't, but I wonder if part of Sequoia's decision to invest had anything to do with these false claims?

Re: Sequoia backs Zed

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Post by IshKebab »

Sounds like a noble goal.. but I'm skeptical. I normally don't care about every single edit I've done, and don't want to store them and certainly don't want to see other people's character level edits.

Also how on earth do you handle conflicts?

This sounds most similar to IntelliJ's local history tracking, but that is local only which makes sense.

Still, more IDEs is always good so I wish them luck and will wait and see. (As with Zed - I keep trying it but it's still very alpha quality so I always end up back in VSCode.)

Re: Sequoia backs Zed

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Post by myaccountonhn »

markus_zhang wrote: post #86
spudlyo wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem with accepting VC money is they will eventually demand a return on their investment, which means that the forces that drive enshitification will eventually come for Zed in some form. I suspect that we'll see more and more features locked behind a paid subscription and the open core of the editor will become neglected over time. Here I am on my free-as-in-freedom operating system, making commits with my fr…

I might HAVE to learn EMacs (prefer over Vim) because I think eventually everything else will be tainted by mandatory AI features and/or subscriptions.

And Zeds multiplayer features might make it so your workplace mandates Zed if you're unlucky and Zed succeeds with their plan.
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