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Are you referring to 5G radio modems or another chip?
Probably the Intel CPUs in Macbooks before Apple made the push for the M1 - circa the Intel quad core era where their laptop chips had major heat issues... ~2012 IIRC?
Intel Foundry demonstrates first Arm-based chip on 18a node
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Fujitsu and Nvidia also implement (at least) TSO. https://threedots.ovh/blog/2021/02/cpus-with-sequential-cons...
Denver does it because it was supposed to be an x86 CPU, but they couldn't get an agreement with Intel for patent licensing, so they pivoted into being the first available aarch64 CPU since decode was happening entirely in software.
Re: Intel Foundry demonstrates first Arm-based chip on 18a node
#83Someone moved Intel's cheese, and they didn't go after it until it was too late. Nobody is going to be switching their ARM-based chip provider from TSMC or anyone else (with whom they've only just built up enough trust) to even thinking of changing. Without a track record of delivery, intel is just there to be used in leverage with price negotiations with TSMC.
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#84It's going to be fun in two years when Intel is golden child again because TSMC has bomb damage and Taiwan is blockaded.
Part of Intel’s problem is their ‘P Core’ team absolutely sucked for a decade.
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#85Very unlikely to happen but Intel could release an Arm chip with native x86 translation. Arm and AMD IP would be needed but this would be the best chip for Windows
I don't understand what the difference is between "an ARM chip with native x86 translation" and a dual-ISA x86 and ARM chip. And I don't understand why you'd want a dual-ISA x86 and ARM rather than just an x86 chip. You wouldn't get whatever CPU front-end simplicity advantages there are from ARM, since your front-end would get significantly more complex and consume significantly more transistors than with a normal x8…
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They always are the first ones to use the most advanced node by TSMC, the designs probably are only compatible with that particular process. Have not heard of apple using samsung for SoCs.
Apple used Samsung through the A7. Moved to TSMC for the A8.
Re: Intel Foundry demonstrates first Arm-based chip on 18a node
#88Is Intel's 18A actually 1.8 nm, or is this one of their usual marketing terms?
Re: Intel Foundry demonstrates first Arm-based chip on 18a node
#89Assuming they’re telling the truth, they’ve successfully built one chip from that fab. That’s good, but it doesn’t mean the fab is capable of manufacturing at scale while turning a profit. They need an external customer for the fab so they can iterate and work out the issues. It’s anyone’s guess if someone trusts intel to manufacture on their behalf instead of sticking with an established player. They’re stuck in a c…
Intel also designs its own chips. Thus, it's hard for fabless players to buy in without worrying about their IPs being stolen. One of the strengths of TSMC is they only make chips. They don't do anything else. TSMC is highly trusted by its customers.
Re: Intel Foundry demonstrates first Arm-based chip on 18a node
#90It's going to be fun in two years when Intel is golden child again because TSMC has bomb damage and Taiwan is blockaded.