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Re: The electric fence stopped working years ago

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Funny enough, an alleged Chesterton's fence is very likely to be one of these derelict electric fences. People who advocate the "Chesterton's fence" argument (which is similar to and equally misguided as the precautionary principle) are essentially saying "whoever built this fence either didn't understand why they built the fence, or didn't manage to explain their reasoning to other people affected by the fence, and…

Chesterton’s fence isn’t “respect it forever” or “spend infinite resources”. It’s “don’t tear it down until you understand why it’s there”. The whole point is to avoid breaking something whose purpose you haven’t yet understood, because the original builders might have had a good reason that isn’t obvious to you. Once you’ve understood it, you’re free to remove it if that reason no longer applies.

  int some_old_unmaintained_code(void vector){
  // the qyick bwown fox bumped over a lazy do
  int i=i;

  // DON'T EDIT ABOVE THIS LINE;¥n¥n;¥n;;;;
  // DOING SO BREAKS CODE
^ this is an illustration of a Chesterton's fence

Re: The electric fence stopped working years ago

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The message doesn't have any warnings on it like "oh I know it's been a while" or "you might not remember me". Yes. I do this too and wish more people would. The qualifications, the "what have you been up to?"s -- such mind-numbingly boring conventions. Who wants to go through a "catchup" interview before talking about what's interesting. If that's the price, it's not worth it.

I can see this being good for social connections but for business it might be considered rude? Like an old boss, or employee?

Yes it’s not always appropriate. It’s for friends.

Re: The electric fence stopped working years ago

#83

> The fence isn't there. It never was. It's just the memory of some childhood rejection, some social rule someone made up, some fear that caring more makes you matter less. Chesterton's Fence would say that maybe there is a reason and you should tread carefully. Sometimes a relationship died because it should have. Maybe you feel uncomfortable messaging someone because they have given nonverbals that they don't like…

Yeah. I went to my high school reunion. It was a nice evening, but ultimately, I remembered why I was an outcast back then. Recently I reached out to a few old friends. I spent an hour talking to one via phone, and at the end I was like... I don't want this. I set up a meeting with another guy and the moment he walked in I knew this was going to be a very long and very boring evening. Yet another dude called me and i…

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Re: The electric fence stopped working years ago

#84

This is right. People ask my how on earth I know what every one of my high school classmates is up to, when we were the last class of the millennium. Along with a number of old teachers and other randoms from years ago. I just stopped having a filter. When I think of someone, I just fire off a message. The message doesn't have any warnings on it like "oh I know it's been a while" or "you might not remember me". I wri…

I have a friend like this, the amount of times i thought "shit he's gonna get us killed" only to see him become a persons best friend is not small number of times.

My cousin is like this. He can make buddies with the car in the next lane while driving over a simple bumper sticker. I’m sitting cringing while they are exchanging numbers going 40.

Re: The electric fence stopped working years ago

#85

I got a used 1950's era Erector Set from a garage sale as a kid, which had diabolical plans for building the "ERECTOR ELECTRIC THRILLER", that used the un-plugged-in AC electric motor's coil with flashlight batteries and a crank that turned a gear to break the contact and zap pulses of electricity to the handles. Of course I built it and attached the handle to the inside door knob of my room, then tricked my brother…

> un-plugged-in AC electric motor's coil

an important instruction, perhaps

> It is absolutely harmless in every respect.

There is probably an argument here both for and against toy safety standards.

Re: The electric fence stopped working years ago

#86

AI article

The whole site has that look, doesn't it?

But the article seems somewhat better than typical AI-generated slop, so .... ??

It's sad that now whenever I read something I am like... wait, was this really written by a human?

I wonder how much of human culture and creative expression we are losing to algorithmic manipulation and AI dilution.

Re: The electric fence stopped working years ago

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> The fence isn't there. It never was. It's just the memory of some childhood rejection, some social rule someone made up, some fear that caring more makes you matter less. Chesterton's Fence would say that maybe there is a reason and you should tread carefully. Sometimes a relationship died because it should have. Maybe you feel uncomfortable messaging someone because they have given nonverbals that they don't like…

Chesterton's Fence applies to institutional/societal structures with unknown origins, not personal relationships where the history is known to you. The principle encourages understanding before removal, not perpetual inaction when reasons are already clear.

Re: The electric fence stopped working years ago

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> "They haven't reached out, so they must not care."

At some point I think it is a reasonable conclusion that they don't care much if they haven't reached out. The article's point doesn't really hold up when you have many reliable data points of reaching out and experiencing a negative outcome. Sad but there's no rule that things have to work out.

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