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Job Listing Site Highlighting H-1B Positions So Americans Can Apply

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Re: Job Listing Site Highlighting H-1B Positions So Americans Can Apply

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Post by redat00 »

(French citizen speaking)

I think that y'all are a bit unfair in the way you're talking about H-1Bs.

I know that in the US recruitment in tech is at a all time low, and that you would most likely want the few jobs that actually exist to go towards US Citizens. I get this feeling.

However, thinking that you're jobless because of H-1B is kind of ridiculous. You're straight up lying to yourselves at this point.

I get that some companies might abuse the system, especially tech consulting firms that are looking for people that will work for way cheaper, since they would do absolutely everything to evade their third world country.

But please, at a time where companies are insulting everyone of us by saying that they can simply replace us with clankers, don't use H-1Bs as a punching ball. The people in charge, who are just seeking higher margins, are the one that makes it hard for you guys to find a job, and making you leave hell with layoffs.

Be better.

Re: Job Listing Site Highlighting H-1B Positions So Americans Can Apply

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Post by mmargerum »

IgnatiusLoyola wrote: post #72
healsdata wrote: post #16

At least one company I worked at purposefully crafted these job descriptions so that no one would be qualified. They'd find the most obscure parts of our tech stack, require hands on experience with each library, knowledge of our niche, and so on. You basically had to be already working for us to have the required experience.

I do feel a bit bad for H-1Bs. When you think about it, we’re pulling so much top talent out of India. If the U.S., Canada, the UK, Australia, New Zealand, Ireland, and Germany weren’t giving out these visas so easily, maybe India would be in a better position to develop its own economy, infrastructure, and institutions, instead of exporting its workforce. Their best engineers, consultants, analysts, all leaving to w…

Not seeing the "top talent" part at least from the H1B I have worked with which is probably in the hundreds at this point.

Re: Job Listing Site Highlighting H-1B Positions So Americans Can Apply

#83

Post by daft_pink »

I think it’s really fascinating when you go the the actual website that can be found here: https://www.jobs.now

There are clearly jobs listed here like bookkeeper that no shortage exists for and doesn’t seem to require any specialized skill.

I find it fascinating to see the type of jobs that are listed.

Also all the jobs clearly have pay ranges! It’s very humorous to me that when I was looking for a job, most jobs didn’t have pay ranges and these all do.

Maybe a clear pay range is evidence that the job really doesn’t exist.

Re: Job Listing Site Highlighting H-1B Positions So Americans Can Apply

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Post by sitzkrieg »

daft_pink wrote: post #83

I think it’s really fascinating when you go the the actual website that can be found here: https://www.jobs.now There are clearly jobs listed here like bookkeeper that no shortage exists for and doesn’t seem to require any specialized skill. I find it fascinating to see the type of jobs that are listed. Also all the jobs clearly have pay ranges! It’s very humorous to me that when I was looking for a job, most jobs di…

some states passed laws (lmao) requiring ranges over the years, maybe they put up some blankets

Re: Job Listing Site Highlighting H-1B Positions So Americans Can Apply

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Post by sitzkrieg »

VincentEvans wrote: post #71
shaftway wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This happens at a much smaller level too. We knew an au pair that the host family particularly liked, and wanted her long term. A typical au pair contract is for 1 year, maximum is 2. They worked with an immigration attorney to craft a "job" that she was uniquely qualified for, went through the whole dance, and got her into the system. She stayed with them for the next 10 years. They covered room and board, but she w…

I can’t even tell how this would be different from what is commonly termed as human trafficking.

willing participants perhaps

Re: Job Listing Site Highlighting H-1B Positions So Americans Can Apply

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Post by sitzkrieg »

mmargerum wrote: post #82
IgnatiusLoyola wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I do feel a bit bad for H-1Bs. When you think about it, we’re pulling so much top talent out of India. If the U.S., Canada, the UK, Australia, New Zealand, Ireland, and Germany weren’t giving out these visas so easily, maybe India would be in a better position to develop its own economy, infrastructure, and institutions, instead of exporting its workforce. Their best engineers, consultants, analysts, all leaving to w…

Not seeing the "top talent" part at least from the H1B I have worked with which is probably in the hundreds at this point.

i am 0/60 lol

Re: Job Listing Site Highlighting H-1B Positions So Americans Can Apply

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Post by filleduchaos »

dilyevsky wrote: post #77
filleduchaos wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find it rather strange that you talk about them as if they are two separate things when they are intrinsically linked. You have ~60 days from the date of employment termination to have your work permit transferred or you are out of status, period. Leaving your job (whether via resigning or getting fired or laid off) without something already lined up is thus quite obviously much more risky than it is for someone wh…

> You have ~60 days from the date of employment termination to have your work permit transferred or you are out of status, period. What the hell else supposed to happen to your temp worker visa when you’re no longer a worker? Are you supposed to just get an immigration hall pass indefinitely? Same point as in sibling thread - if you cant get a new job lined up while still employed or within 60 days of being laid off,…

I'm sorry but treating these as equivalent things is rather disingenuous to me:

> if you cant get a new job lined up while still employed or within 60 days of being laid off

Lining up a job while you are still employed is something you control. Being unexpectedly thrust into the job market due to layoffs for instance is something you don't, and the state of the job market you enter is equally something you don't control. Additionally I am not sure you understand what 60 calendar days from termination to being out of status means. You don't have 60 days to "line up a job". You have 60 days to be employed again, which for this purpose means that your new employer has properly filed a petition on your behalf.

Again, does it really need explaining that this puts pressure on H-visa holders specifically that other workers don't have, especially when the companies that do sponsor visas often have interview processes that can take over a month? Does it need explaining that risking their residence and not just a paycheck means that they are less able to both:

- leave a toxic, failing or otherwise dysfunctional employer (since you practically need to secure something else first versus being truly able to resign at will)

- reject substandard employment offers (under the pressure of literally not having the time to do any more interviews)

How is it not incredibly obvious that as I said, this tilts the balance of power even more in the employer's direction? Why does someone pointing this out raise your hackles?

Also, why do you assume that the US is the only country on earth that has non-immigrant skilled workers? For instance the EU's Blue Card programme (which despite the deliberate naming is not actually a permanent residence permit like the US' green card) is far more sensible and less exploitable by employers.

Re: Job Listing Site Highlighting H-1B Positions So Americans Can Apply

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Post by orochimaaru »

lovich wrote: post #46
orochimaaru wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It should not. But there is no one vetting the validity of the requirements.

Should it not be? If the criteria is there solely to make sure only his countrymen can get jobs and get to the US then I agree it’s wrong. However if they were willing to hire anyone who spoke Russian regardless of origin then I think the question becomes “Are people/companies allowed to hire for niche skill sets that fit their specific needs, when it de facto bars 99% of citizens from getting the job?”

At this point in time I believe there is an embargo on trade with Russia. Having a job like that since the beginning of the Ukraine war sanctions should have raised red flags.

Re: Job Listing Site Highlighting H-1B Positions So Americans Can Apply

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Post by jrockway »

rayiner wrote: post #21
jrockway wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

H1-B is an immigrant intent (actually dual intent) visa. I know a lot of Canadians that started working in the US on a TN visa, which doesn't let you ever become a permanent resident. They had to do all the paperwork (and win the lottery) to convert to H1-B status so they could begin the process of getting permanent residency.

To be clear, H1B is not an immigrant intent visa. It’s a non-immigrant visa. “Dual intent” is like Schrödinger's intent. It allows someone who is on a non-immigrant visa to avoid the presumption of immigrant intent that would otherwise apply—rendering them deportable—when they apply for a green card. The statutory protection for H1Bs is thin. In 1990, Congress excluded H1B from the requirement applicable to other non…

I guess "plausible deniability" is the best anyone intending to immigrate to the US can do. It's crazy how difficult we make it.
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