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Re: NSF has suspended Terry Tao's grant

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Post by psychoslave »

est31 wrote: post #5

It is comparatively easy for a mathematician to relocate, given that, like most scientists, they already have world spanning international networks, and unlike other sciences there is no need for expensive lab equipment. Stuff like LIGO is hard to move around, but there is plenty of places in the world that have a good math library.

Not every mathematicians has the fame of this person. I don't know much about Terrance to be frank, only red a few posts that landed on HN homepage. That's enough to grasp the level of fame he enjoy, I guess.

Re: NSF has suspended Terry Tao's grant

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Post by brookst »

sitkack wrote: post #57
fabian2k wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Antisemitism is just an excuse for these actions against universities, it's a pretext. Not a particularly believable one anyway, but that doesn't seem to matter. The Trump administration is punishing institutions that disagree with it, or that it dislikes for some reason.

MAGA is heavily antisemitic, you absolutely right that this is pretext. They would have picked something else, this is just the best one at the time.

Yep, zero principles at play here. They would has as happily use “mistreatment of transgender people” as a pretext, despite championing such mistreatment.

It’s all just words as magic spells to justify bad behavior. Semantic content and beliefs aren’t even part of the equation.

Re: NSF has suspended Terry Tao's grant

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Post by nyeah »

vFunct wrote: post #32
willvarfar wrote: post #7

Public support for Israel is steadily falling; this poll was published just a couple of days ago https://news.gallup.com/poll/692948/u.s.-back-israel-militar... and other G7 countries are moving to recognise Palestine. So will the administration's push to use pro-Israel reasons to censure and penalise the universities steadily get out of touch with what the public want and sympathise with?

What's going to be interesting is when the next Democratic administration comes into power, they're going to be extremely anti-Israel, given that the Democratic base is fully against Israel now at a 5:1 ratio. There will never be another Democratic President that supports Israel (none of the pro-israel candidates have any hope of ever being President) and this will mean extremely hard anti-Israeli action, using prece…

The Democratic party supports Israel just fine. The party is not run by weirdo academics who can't even remember the Hamas attacks.

The worst that serious Democrats might do is publicly compare Israel's current behavior to the US's lashing out at Afghanistan after the WTC attacks.

Re: NSF has suspended Terry Tao's grant

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Post by mensetmanusman »

lupusreal wrote: post #78
mensetmanusman wrote: post #21

Background: UCLA violated the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment and Title VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, "by acting with deliberate indifference in creating a hostile educational environment for Jewish and Israeli students." Outcome: These grants are likely in a temporary holding pattern until ucla settles the issue.

> Background: UCLA violated the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment and Title VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, "by acting with deliberate indifference in creating a hostile educational environment for Jewish and Israeli students." Translation: ULCA declined to violate the First Ammendment and allowed their students and faculty to criticize Israel.

It’s more akin to the civil rights movement/counter movement when some universities ignored various assaults on black students (saying it wasn’t their job to police behavior).

The protesters were fine to criticize Israel, but then turning the rage to the actual American Jews on campus crossed the line.

Re: NSF has suspended Terry Tao's grant

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Post by lotsofpulp »

mensetmanusman wrote: post #29
tossandthrow wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That there should be only 8 places in the world where you can find elite thinkers, all located in the US, is such extreme American nationalism and straight up ignorant.

We can thank Hitler for the exodus of academics to the US and for the creation of the Israel/Palestine issue (without the holocaust/ww2, the state would never had been made).

Israel/Palestine started long before WW2.

https://www.britannica.com/place/Palestine/World-War-I-and-a...

Re: NSF has suspended Terry Tao's grant

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Post by crinkly »

willvarfar wrote: post #7

Public support for Israel is steadily falling; this poll was published just a couple of days ago https://news.gallup.com/poll/692948/u.s.-back-israel-militar... and other G7 countries are moving to recognise Palestine. So will the administration's push to use pro-Israel reasons to censure and penalise the universities steadily get out of touch with what the public want and sympathise with?

I think this poll is disingenuously quoted here and may not represent public opinion that well.

The questions are very specific rather than general. For example you can disapprove of the military action and the president of a country, but that doesn't mean when asked "pick a winner" you'd pick the other guy.

I mean if the US went to war with North Korea and Pyongyang got flattened, I would certainly disapprove of the US military and the president, but I probably wouldn't consider the other party "winning".

So as always it depends on which question you ask. You can ask questions to get the answer you paid for (speaking as an ex-statistician who worked for a pollster)

Re: NSF has suspended Terry Tao's grant

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Post by encom »

paxys wrote: post #24
willvarfar wrote: post #7

Public support for Israel is steadily falling; this poll was published just a couple of days ago https://news.gallup.com/poll/692948/u.s.-back-israel-militar... and other G7 countries are moving to recognise Palestine. So will the administration's push to use pro-Israel reasons to censure and penalise the universities steadily get out of touch with what the public want and sympathise with?

When has a dictatorship ever cared about public opinion?

What dictatorship are you referring to?

Re: NSF has suspended Terry Tao's grant

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Post by twixfel »

mupuff1234 wrote: post #71
twixfel wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The UN partition was an act of violence. Violence leads to violence. It's not even about right or wrong, it's just eminently predictable and blaming the Arabs for not accepting it is just ridiculous. Of course they didn't accept it. Nobody would have accepted it in their position.

Do you also agree that with the same logic it makes no sense for Israel to agree to something like the right of return? Nobody else in their position would accept it.

I can certainly see why the Israelis don't want it. I would start with ending the ongoing colonisation of the West Bank and end the war in Gaza before Israel ends up any more of a pariah state than it already is.

Colonisation in 2025 is a really, really bad look tbh.

Re: NSF has suspended Terry Tao's grant

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Post by wiz21c »

Hikikomori wrote: post #73
vFunct wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's going to be interesting is when the next Democratic administration comes into power, they're going to be extremely anti-Israel, given that the Democratic base is fully against Israel now at a 5:1 ratio. There will never be another Democratic President that supports Israel (none of the pro-israel candidates have any hope of ever being President) and this will mean extremely hard anti-Israeli action, using prece…

The party largely fully supports Israel.

I live in Europe and according the common media outlets, the US absolutely, totally, forever support Israel. "largely" is too weak of a word here.

And now honnest question: why is this support so strong in the US ? are the ties with the jewish/israely community so deep between these two peoples ?

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