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I've used it previously and echo the other sentiments here about some bugs being blockers, but overall enjoyed the experience. Ultimately though, unless they get access to the APIs to auto-fill OTP codes from messages/email, I'm unlikely to switch from Safari
This has been resolved by macOS Sequoia - now works out of box in Orion.
I really like Kagi, but I'm starting to get that same sense of anticipatory melancholy I used to get when I found a really good drug dealer back in the day - this product or service is fantastic, and I'm very happy to be able to give it money, but I recognize this is a short term affair and some day I'll be back to having to search for it again. I would continue to pay Kagi $10 a month forever for exactly the product…
Kagi founder here. I like simplicity too, but if that is the only thing I cared about I would have never attempted to build a paid search engine. We started working on the browser before we started working on search. There were many browsers and search engines before us, and all of them failed because you can not compete with an ecosystem company (Google) with a single product. If your customers use your search engin…
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Kagi founder here. I like simplicity too, but if that is the only thing I cared about I would have never attempted to build a paid search engine. We started working on the browser before we started working on search. There were many browsers and search engines before us, and all of them failed because you can not compete with an ecosystem company (Google) with a single product. If your customers use your search engin…
If Vimium would work in Orion I'd be happily paying for Orion+ and Kagi but sadly it doesn't.
Besides Vimium, I generally experience enough bugs with other extensions or the browser itself that I just wind up not using Orion, despite following development for many years now.
What they're trying to achieve with Orion is very admirable but they simply don't have enough resources to pull it off. Making a browser is hard, making a cross platform webkit browser is even harder, making a cross platform webkit based browser that supports Firefox, Chrome, and in some cases Safari extensions is yet even harder.
I guess Safari is the only major browser left that is just a browser. Google is an ad company. Microsoft is an ad company. Mozilla is an ad company. Brave is a crypto company. And these next wave of browsers are all going to be infested with AI, I suppose. Apple sells phones.
Apple takes huge amounts of cash in exchange for making a search engine their default and they go out of their way to stop users from removing search engines or adding their own. Those apple sanctioned search engines are effectively paid ads, and apple users end up getting sold to those other ad companies with no option to use anyone else as their default. The last good browser is Lynx
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Apple takes huge amounts of cash in exchange for making a search engine their default and they go out of their way to stop users from removing search engines or adding their own. Those apple sanctioned search engines are effectively paid ads, and apple users end up getting sold to those other ad companies with no option to use anyone else as their default. The last good browser is Lynx
Why lynx and not w3m or links?
I love Kagi and I’ve been using the Orion browser on iOS for months because it support uBlock Origin but its bugginess is emblematic of Kagi stretching its resources way too thin (and the tshirt thing…) The iOS browser is buggy as all hell: the jump to top click around the notch stops working regularly, reflow/layout breaks throwing all the buttons and url input off screen, the entire page just go blank if it’s too l…
I have many of these same issues. I actually think ublock is causing some of them; removing and reinstalling fixed some of the hangs for a while, but they eventually came back. I think I also switched from Firefox to chrome version or vice versa. The general “chrome” of the app is unfortunately a buggy mess regardless of extension config. I still think it’s easily worth it because for some critical sites it adds so m…
I see an "automatic updates" checkbox now in the extensions management window
Only on MacOS and iOS...
I guess Safari is the only major browser left that is just a browser. Google is an ad company. Microsoft is an ad company. Mozilla is an ad company. Brave is a crypto company. And these next wave of browsers are all going to be infested with AI, I suppose. Apple sells phones.
Apple takes huge amounts of cash in exchange for making a search engine their default and they go out of their way to stop users from removing search engines or adding their own. Those apple sanctioned search engines are effectively paid ads, and apple users end up getting sold to those other ad companies with no option to use anyone else as their default. The last good browser is Lynx
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Why lynx and not w3m or links?
Are those still active? Elinks is I think. I'll have to grab the latest version of w3m
So I hate Safari with a burning passion and Firefox on iOS isn't much better. Ideally I'd run FF everywhere, but lacking Apple Pay support and iOS anti-competitively locking out extensions to non-Safari browsers make this a non-starter. I VERY BADLY want to make this my daily driver across all of my devices, but between weird rendering bugs (which are decreasing), janky 1Pass support (which is improving), lacking his…
I use Orion as my daily driver on my Mac. The bugginess has largely passed.