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Re: Stargate Norway

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Post by londons_explore »

aussieguy1234 wrote: post #55
londons_explore wrote: post #41

In the past few decades, data centers have been placed with latency in mind - ie. Typically you don't want to be more than 1000 miles from users. However, in the world of AI, latency is already 1 second plus, so the economics change - you do better to build where there is cheap electricity and free cooling. I forsee Iceland as a good place to invest.

Iceland is a small country, so it'll depend on what power infrastructure is already there, too much power consumption will overload the grid - unless they build new power plants and other infra.

Almost all countries have taxes and regulations on electricity (grid maintenance isn't free!), however at AI datacenter scale it makes sense to build the power plant on the same site as the datacenter, therefore avoiding those electricity taxes.

So wherever you build, you'll most likely be building the same wattage of power station as you do datacenter.

Lots of other resources can be shared too - for example shared cooling systems

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Post by londons_explore »

veunes wrote: post #80
londons_explore wrote: post #41

In the past few decades, data centers have been placed with latency in mind - ie. Typically you don't want to be more than 1000 miles from users. However, in the world of AI, latency is already 1 second plus, so the economics change - you do better to build where there is cheap electricity and free cooling. I forsee Iceland as a good place to invest.

That's why places like Norway, Iceland, and even parts of Canada are starting to look like prime real estate

Bits of Russia too, if you can smuggle the requests and responses in and out.

Remember Russia has huge quantities of free gas which used to be sold to the EU but is right now wasted.

Re: Stargate Norway

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Post by jtrn »

Personally, as a Norwegian, I am really hopeful for this. I hope the "Not in my backyard" sentiment won't block this project, as it has so many times here. Narvik will be a great place. Lots of renewable energy, a history of industry, and a cool North Atlantic climate for cooling it all.

Though I am starting to recognize in myself that I think AI is so cool, that I might be a bit naive. But I just love it so much, use it so much, and have a childish pleasure in it, that I'm starting to think that I need to curb my enthusiasm.

I do note that the other side of the spectrum has no problem with representation, though. With just as unnuanced attitudes like: AI is evil, useless, capitalistic exploitation, and so on. So the pessistic view is more than enough represented in the public discourse. So maybe I can just let myself be in love with this tech.

Re: Stargate Norway

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Post by ranguna »

pu_pe wrote: post #75

> The facility will target to deliver 100,000 NVIDIA GPUs by the end of 2026, with the intention to expand significantly in the years ahead. This is massive. As a point of comparison: Denmark just unveiled a new supercomputer recently which has only ~1,500 GPUs [1] [1] https://novonordiskfonden.dk/en/news/denmarks-first-ai-super...

If those are a100 GPUs, then we are looking at 21.6GWh of electricity in a month at full power at 300W. At 0.16 cents per kW that 3.456M euros per month for the GPUs alone.

According to Wikipedia, in 2021 Norway produced 157.1TWh of electricity, that's 13.1TWh per month. The GPUs will consume less than 1% of the total electricity production capacity Norway has (or had in 2021).

Norway currently uses fully or close to 100% renewables, according to electricitymap. Hopefully this investment won't turn that around.

Re: Stargate Norway

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Post by jtrn »

bjornorn wrote: post #38
vintermann wrote: post #7

Norwegian news seem to think this is a semiconductor manufacturing plant.

They probably did a direct translation of this: «Stargate Norway is planned to deliver 230MW of capacity, with ambitions to expand by an additional 290MW. The facility will target to deliver 100,000 NVIDIA GPUs by the end of 2026, with the intention to expand significantly in the years ahead.» Makes it sound both like a power plant and a semiconductor factory..

Norway's public and largest news network, "NRK," made a straight-up mistake and wrote that it would produce AI chips. They later corrected it. But obviously, the journalist had no idea how big news that would be if Norway were able to host a TSMC-style factory.

They have since corrected it tho: https://www.nrk.no/nordland/aker-har-signert-milliardavtale-...

Re: Stargate Norway

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Post by FirmwareBurner »

londons_explore wrote: post #82
veunes wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's why places like Norway, Iceland, and even parts of Canada are starting to look like prime real estate

Bits of Russia too, if you can smuggle the requests and responses in and out. Remember Russia has huge quantities of free gas which used to be sold to the EU but is right now wasted.

>Remember Russia has huge quantities of free gas which used to be sold to the EU but is right now wasted

It isn't "WASTED", what re you on about.

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Post by FirmwareBurner »

veunes wrote: post #58
danielscrubs wrote: post #27

”While in Norway, OpenAI will also engage with government officials to explore opportunities for collaboration, including boosting AI adoption and helping to deliver on Norway’s sovereign AI goals for the benefit of its people.” Aka, Snowden thought us nothing. Norwegians beware of ChatGPT used as a weapon to move oil money from the people to the ”future of business ”.

Yep, AI sovereignty shouldn't mean handing over control to foreign entities with better PR teams

Isn't Norway a key NATO member and huge buyer of F35 jets and other key US tech? What should Norway do? Buy Chinese and Russian instead?

Re: Stargate Norway

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Post by yard2010 »

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #87
veunes wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep, AI sovereignty shouldn't mean handing over control to foreign entities with better PR teams

Isn't Norway a key NATO member and huge buyer of F35 jets and other key US tech? What should Norway do? Buy Chinese and Russian instead?

What happened to Europe?

Re: Stargate Norway

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Post by koonsolo »

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #87
veunes wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep, AI sovereignty shouldn't mean handing over control to foreign entities with better PR teams

Isn't Norway a key NATO member and huge buyer of F35 jets and other key US tech? What should Norway do? Buy Chinese and Russian instead?

Europe produces no military jets, tanks, and other equipment?

Re: Stargate Norway

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Post by esseph »

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #87
veunes wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep, AI sovereignty shouldn't mean handing over control to foreign entities with better PR teams

Isn't Norway a key NATO member and huge buyer of F35 jets and other key US tech? What should Norway do? Buy Chinese and Russian instead?

Seems like the EU has decided to pull away from the US. As has Canada and frankly, a lot of the rest of the world.
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