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Re: Microsoft bans LibreOffice developer's account without warning, rejects appeal

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Post by dylan604 »

jajuuka wrote: post #73
dylan604 wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You mean the part where the appeal was denied as the safety net of false positives? The fact that the site asks you to login to get support on not being able to login isn't a story? The fact they told him they'd help every step of the way only to ghost him? Are we supposed to have been beaten down to the point that none of this is a story? Granted, it is only one side of the story. We have no idea what other things t…

Appeals are not safety nets for false positives. Making online support require a login is extremely common. However there are other methods of communication to get support. Support not calling you back is not a story. Come on now. Having a bad support experience is not being "beaten down". Talk about hyperbolic. If this is a systemic issue, that could be a story. But why isn't my grandmother's bad experience at Costc…

Did your grandmother or friend get their issues resolved? If yes, not a story. If no, then potentially a story if they make enough noise.

But sure, you go right ahead and just roll over and take shitty service and then go ahead and add a tip too while you at it. The rest of will continue to make noise and call a spade a spade. Some of us might even tell them emperor he has no clothes on

Re: Microsoft bans LibreOffice developer's account without warning, rejects appeal

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Post by arp242 »

Animats wrote: post #58

This creates a new concern. Is it still safe to host projects that compete with Microsoft on Github? The answer may be no.

These platforms constantly ban people for inscrutable reasons without any recourse, except perhaps for "support by media attention". I see no reason to assume this is any different, and that the ban is unrelated to their work on LibreOffice or anything else.

GitHub (and GitHub accounts) do not seem to have this problem as near as I can tell. For better or worse, I've found that reporting spammers and bad faith actors is a largely a pointless exercise as it will all go in a black hole.

Re: Microsoft bans LibreOffice developer's account without warning, rejects appeal

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Post by dgfitz »

wonderwonder wrote: post #78
dgfitz wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure would have been great if, in 2016 and 2024 elections, the democrats had nominated someone who could have beat Trump. Or conversely, had not nominated the two people who didn't stance a chance. But yeah, keep railing against the GOP.

Im not sure anyone could have beaten Trump. It was his time, the prior 4 years pushed many over to his base. I voted for Clinton and Biden but there was no one that could have gotten me to vote Dem last election

I said it many times on this forum, Harris had no platform. There was nothing to vote for.

I’m just so tired of “fuck the GOP” when, as you say, it was inevitable. People love to hate a villain, I get it. “It was Hilarys turn, we will just keep marching forward” really didn’t work out. This GOP narrative is basically screaming into a mirror. Not your GOP narrative, not picking on you. Just frustrated.

Re: Microsoft bans LibreOffice developer's account without warning, rejects appeal

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Post by wonderwonder »

dgfitz wrote: post #83
wonderwonder wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Im not sure anyone could have beaten Trump. It was his time, the prior 4 years pushed many over to his base. I voted for Clinton and Biden but there was no one that could have gotten me to vote Dem last election

I said it many times on this forum, Harris had no platform. There was nothing to vote for. I’m just so tired of “fuck the GOP” when, as you say, it was inevitable. People love to hate a villain, I get it. “It was Hilarys turn, we will just keep marching forward” really didn’t work out. This GOP narrative is basically screaming into a mirror. Not your GOP narrative, not picking on you. Just frustrated.

I hear you. And based on how the left has reacted to his term so far, I'm not sure there is anyone currently that can prevent a Vance or Desantis presidency next time. The left is to far left, they have abandoned the center and the center has sought safety in the GOP. Not because we want to be there but because there is literally no where else for us to go. My politics have not changed, but the party I have voted for for almost 3 decades very much has.

We have left leaning main stream media organizations implying that a jeans commercial is a nazi rallying cry because it features a white woman. I just cant vote how I used to vote and look my young sons in the eye. The Dem party is gone.

Re: Microsoft bans LibreOffice developer's account without warning, rejects appeal

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Post by prmoustache »

dylan604 wrote: post #29
prmoustache wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No. Just use blabla is not enough. Sites which do that should be denounced.

You can sit around and wait for things to change, or you come up with a workaround to get done what needs to be done. You seem to be against workarounds instead of making people just sit idle doing nothing.

debouncing them doesn't mean you cannot come up with a workaround at the same time.

Re: Microsoft bans LibreOffice developer's account without warning, rejects appeal

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Post by ajb »

israrkhan wrote: post #20
chasil wrote: post #7

As I hear stories of Apple, Google, and Microsoft revoking valuable access, I remember this article... "Don’t build your castle in other people’s kingdoms." https://howtomarketagame.com/2021/11/01/dont-build-your-cast...

In this day and age, it is almost impossible for certain businesses not to build on someone's else kingdom. Facebook, instagram, uber, lyft, doordash, instacart, and hundreds of unicorn businesses are literally built on top of ecosystems that are controlled by 2 or 3 companies.

If you have billions of dollars of revenue, you can make the law of tort work the way it is supposed to.

Re: Microsoft bans LibreOffice developer's account without warning, rejects appeal

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Post by chasil »

throwaway290 wrote: post #77
chasil wrote: post #7

As I hear stories of Apple, Google, and Microsoft revoking valuable access, I remember this article... "Don’t build your castle in other people’s kingdoms." https://howtomarketagame.com/2021/11/01/dont-build-your-cast...

When did it happen in Apple land?

Several instances.

https://www.reddit.com/r/iOSProgramming/comments/1h48tkz/app...

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38394364

https://medium.com/@thedarkhacker94/apple-has-terminated-my-...

Re: Microsoft bans LibreOffice developer's account without warning, rejects appeal

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Post by ndsipa_pomu »

rossdavidh wrote: post #25

1) I doubt this is Microsoft conspiring against a LibreOffice dev. It's not impossible, but it seems way more likely that it's just an automated process that is misfiring. 2) I cannot prove that this (opaque) process has been retrofitted to use LLM's in its decision making, but I would not be the slightest bit surprised. Neural networks are, intrinsically, even more opaque than the processes they replace. 3) Using Bi…

Given Microsoft's previous behaviour towards competitors and open source software, it seems almost certain to me that Microsoft is doing this deliberately. They've got decades of bad faith behaviour at this point, so why give them the benefit of the doubt?

Re: Microsoft bans LibreOffice developer's account without warning, rejects appeal

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Post by throwaway290 »

chasil wrote: post #87
throwaway290 wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When did it happen in Apple land?

Several instances. https://www.reddit.com/r/iOSProgramming/comments/1h48tkz/app... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38394364 https://medium.com/@thedarkhacker94/apple-has-terminated-my-...

All of these are Apple just terminated developer account (and at least two of them probably don't tell the full story)

But this guy was completely blocked. It's VERY different when you lose access to everything and can't even contact support

> Microsoft has banned LibreOffice developer, Mike Kaganski, from using its services

Re: Microsoft bans LibreOffice developer's account without warning, rejects appeal

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Post by pjmlp »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #2

The need for European digital sovereignty cannot be overstated.

First we need to actually start having European OSes like SuSE being offered on shopping malls, with 100% hardware support, followed by Jolla phones.

And everything on European goverments being available as FOSS OS friendly, not Windows/macOS/iOS/Android only.

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