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The hit film about overworked nurses that's causing alarm across Europe

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Re: The hit film about overworked nurses that's causing alarm across Europe

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trhway wrote: post #78
asdfj999 wrote: post #54

If I could change one thing about healthcare, it would be how we handle end of life care. Sadly, hospitals are full of 80-90+ year old people who cannot walk or talk for years, advanced dementia plus many other serious comorbidities, with severe malnutrition and recurrent aspiration pneumonia, with large non-healing sacral ulcers, who shit and piss themselves, and the family continues to insist we "do everything" to…

>Sadly, hospitals are full of 80-90+ year old people who cannot ... and the family continues to insist we "do everything" to help this person. so what? It is on their dime, not yours. If i'm a 90 years old and wanna drag my existence out it is my choice as long as i'm paying for it, directly or through insurance (and Medicare is an insurance too btw) It is easy to suggest to terminate lives earlier when it isn't your…

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Re: The hit film about overworked nurses that's causing alarm across Europe

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Post by pavel_lishin »

nsksl wrote: post #69

Nurses in Spain make 2500-3000 euro a month, in a country where the most common salary is 1250 euro. Are they overworked? Well then they can take a pay cut so we can hire more of them.

How many hours do they work, compared to the people making €1250/month?

Re: The hit film about overworked nurses that's causing alarm across Europe

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Post by n8henrie »

trhway wrote: post #78
asdfj999 wrote: post #54

If I could change one thing about healthcare, it would be how we handle end of life care. Sadly, hospitals are full of 80-90+ year old people who cannot walk or talk for years, advanced dementia plus many other serious comorbidities, with severe malnutrition and recurrent aspiration pneumonia, with large non-healing sacral ulcers, who shit and piss themselves, and the family continues to insist we "do everything" to…

>Sadly, hospitals are full of 80-90+ year old people who cannot ... and the family continues to insist we "do everything" to help this person. so what? It is on their dime, not yours. If i'm a 90 years old and wanna drag my existence out it is my choice as long as i'm paying for it, directly or through insurance (and Medicare is an insurance too btw) It is easy to suggest to terminate lives earlier when it isn't your…

In my experience it is rarely the patient making this choice. Much more often the children, who are often making a big show of how much more they love mom or dad compared to the other sibs.

Re: The hit film about overworked nurses that's causing alarm across Europe

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Post by trhway »

n8henrie wrote: post #83
trhway wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Sadly, hospitals are full of 80-90+ year old people who cannot ... and the family continues to insist we "do everything" to help this person. so what? It is on their dime, not yours. If i'm a 90 years old and wanna drag my existence out it is my choice as long as i'm paying for it, directly or through insurance (and Medicare is an insurance too btw) It is easy to suggest to terminate lives earlier when it isn't your…

In my experience it is rarely the patient making this choice. Much more often the children, who are often making a big show of how much more they love mom or dad compared to the other sibs.

And the patient made that choice by establishing that family dynamics and by not having specific instructions even while seeing over decades the family dynamics they created themselves. I'd say that is an explicit clear choice. And anyway it isn't outsider's business to tell a family how to care for their own.

Re: The hit film about overworked nurses that's causing alarm across Europe

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Post by nsksl »

pavel_lishin wrote: post #82
nsksl wrote: post #69

Nurses in Spain make 2500-3000 euro a month, in a country where the most common salary is 1250 euro. Are they overworked? Well then they can take a pay cut so we can hire more of them.

How many hours do they work, compared to the people making €1250/month?

Fewer, for sure.

Not to mention they work for the state so they are guaranteed to have lots of free days by law and their work hours are always respected.

Re: The hit film about overworked nurses that's causing alarm across Europe

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Post by constantcrying »

soco wrote: post #80
constantcrying wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Make that a discussion with the local politics. There is nothing more irrelevant than addressing large scale social issues in local politics. Besides not once in my life have I seen politics improve anything, politics seems to attract the dumbest and most self righteous types of people, who care about nothing but their self image. My time on earth is limited and much too precious to spent it in the company of politi…

Correct me please if I'm wrong but do you maybe mean with that "let's do nothing and just die"? That I cannot accept, so what else?

Firstly, the success rate of politics appears to be precisely zero.

Secondly, if I have the choice between politics and death, death is the easy winner.

Re: The hit film about overworked nurses that's causing alarm across Europe

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Post by huijzer »

thmsths wrote: post #3
huijzer wrote: post #2

Yes can confirm this is real. I know both German and Dutch nurses who say that the workload is incredibly high. One older nurse also said the pressure today is much higher than years ago.

I am not surprised. Healthcare costs have been rising faster than inflation for several years. It's a difficult sell to increase budgets, so we have to resort to these "invisible" cost cutting measures to try and stay afloat.

To anyone here open minded enough to give it a shot, I encourage you to read The Real Anthony Fauci, or at least the first chapter. To people who feel resistance: what is the worst that can happen? If you after reading disagree then your brain will soon forget about it anyway so nothing is lost.

Re: The hit film about overworked nurses that's causing alarm across Europe

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Post by general1726 »

graemep wrote: post #62
asdfj999 wrote: post #54

If I could change one thing about healthcare, it would be how we handle end of life care. Sadly, hospitals are full of 80-90+ year old people who cannot walk or talk for years, advanced dementia plus many other serious comorbidities, with severe malnutrition and recurrent aspiration pneumonia, with large non-healing sacral ulcers, who shit and piss themselves, and the family continues to insist we "do everything" to…

I suspect this happens in the UK too, although doctors (in my very limited experience of this) do tell families the truth about what they can do. I think there is a cultural problem about facing up to death, because people do not talk about it. It is a taboo subject to many, and people use euphemisms a lot (which is always a sign of a topic people do not want to talk about). We need much better end of life care. Hosp…

> I think there is a cultural problem about facing up to death

It definitely is culture problem, just look on average police chase in USA followed by a news helicopter. The moment when suspect crashes, news camera will start wildly zooming off and panning away. Why is that? You don't want to see the end of chase, where a guy is getting crushed by momentum of his car, while he could stop and get arrested anytime during the chase? Show the consequences of his actions and tell that if he would not try to run, he would likely be still alive. Arrested, maybe little bit beaten by the cops, but alive.

Re: The hit film about overworked nurses that's causing alarm across Europe

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Post by general1726 »

trhway wrote: post #78
asdfj999 wrote: post #54

If I could change one thing about healthcare, it would be how we handle end of life care. Sadly, hospitals are full of 80-90+ year old people who cannot walk or talk for years, advanced dementia plus many other serious comorbidities, with severe malnutrition and recurrent aspiration pneumonia, with large non-healing sacral ulcers, who shit and piss themselves, and the family continues to insist we "do everything" to…

>Sadly, hospitals are full of 80-90+ year old people who cannot ... and the family continues to insist we "do everything" to help this person. so what? It is on their dime, not yours. If i'm a 90 years old and wanna drag my existence out it is my choice as long as i'm paying for it, directly or through insurance (and Medicare is an insurance too btw) It is easy to suggest to terminate lives earlier when it isn't your…

> so what? It is on their dime, not yours.

Actually in Europe it is on a dime of a taxpayer so also his.

Re: The hit film about overworked nurses that's causing alarm across Europe

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Post by trhway »

general1726 wrote: post #89
trhway wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Sadly, hospitals are full of 80-90+ year old people who cannot ... and the family continues to insist we "do everything" to help this person. so what? It is on their dime, not yours. If i'm a 90 years old and wanna drag my existence out it is my choice as long as i'm paying for it, directly or through insurance (and Medicare is an insurance too btw) It is easy to suggest to terminate lives earlier when it isn't your…

> so what? It is on their dime, not yours. Actually in Europe it is on a dime of a taxpayer so also his.

No, they paid into it their whole life. So, it is their dime not the current taxpayer’s. The taxpayer is paying for their own future.
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