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Re: Rotring 600 Ballpoint Pen

#81
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I still think that fountain pens are the pinnacle of writing stationery. One lasts generations and there's no consumables that need recycling or disposing of, if you use a rechargeable cartridge and buy ink bottles.

> there's no consumables that need recycling or disposing of, if you use a rechargeable cartridge and buy ink bottles.

Genuine question: don't you need to dispose or recycle the ink bottles?

Re: Rotring 600 Ballpoint Pen

#82
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There was this article posted here on HN about the geodemography of left handedness in the US, and all sorts of discussion about past culture of eschewing LH'ded children in schools and such... and I was surprised that no one brought up the very real downsides of being left handed in a left-to-right writing system region of the world (which is most of it). Most comments were leaning towards backwards conservatism and…

I wonder if those issues similarly affect the right handers among the 2 billon or so users of right-to-left writing systems?

Is there a significant difference in left-handedness in RTL countries? It seems strange to me that an RTL writing system would develop in a vast majority right handed environment, for the same reasons that left handed people have issues with LTR systems

Re: Rotring 600 Ballpoint Pen

#83
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They're also horrible to use if you're left-handed and writing English or any other left-to-right language.

As a counter example, I'm left handed and write hundreds of pages per year in a left-to-right language and don't have issues with smudging lines with my palm. Maybe the inks I use dry fast enough (Parker Quink or Pelikan 4001) or it's the way I learned to write back in school.

You're probably doing the lefty-handed-curl. If you adopt a really weird writing position you can write without smudges. Depending on your body-type it's either easy and obvious or very uncomfortable. I'm in the latter group so I just use a pencil.

Re: Rotring 600 Ballpoint Pen

#84
post #24

I still think that fountain pens are the pinnacle of writing stationery. One lasts generations and there's no consumables that need recycling or disposing of, if you use a rechargeable cartridge and buy ink bottles.

They're also horrible to use if you're left-handed and writing English or any other left-to-right language.

You need a fast dry ink and good paper. But yes with usual supplies, it can be problematic. My kid enjoys writing with fountain pain but her furnitures are given by school and they hand out a lot of printedpaper to fill..So no luck.

Re: Rotring 600 Ballpoint Pen

#86
post #21

That's a very nice pen and I get the appeal. However, I've recently discovered Uni Jetstream pens, and I don't see ever buying anything else. There are nicer pen bodies out there but I've never used a pen that does a better job of putting ink on paper, reliably, every time, without ever skipping in the slightest, not requiring any significant pressure, working on every kind of paper, and drying instantly. For me, it…

You can buy a Uniball One-F (the premium body) and put Jetstream refills in there as a drop-in replacement. Note though that for longevity in engineering notebooks I don’t like to use Jetstreams because of the yellowing seepage problem over time. But for everyday throwaway writing this setup is the ideal best of both worlds.

Since you're kindly offering recommendations, what do you use for longevity in engineering notebooks?

Re: Rotring 600 Ballpoint Pen

#87
post #31

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> One lasts generations Multiple Parker Vectors I had typically lasted a few years of use each before the plastic windings between the pen head and the holder wore out or broke. My Pilot Metropolitan did the same just a few months back. I still have the high-end pens my grandfather used that, while mechanically still sound, I am unable to get the ink flowing through them. I love writing with fountain pens, but long l…

I disagree. I used a Waterman Expert for a long time. It conked out when someone I loaned it to dropped it. I switched to a Noodlers Ahab (which has a flexible nib) so you can do a little bit of flourishing for headings etc. I've used it for a long time and still do. Recently, I switched to a broad tipped Lamy Safari (which was a birthday gift). My main problem is that most papers can't really handle the inkflow from…

I’ve also got a noodler ahab that’s been going strong for years- vegetable resin body, plastic everything else except the metal nib, clip and ring around the opening of the cap.

Re: Rotring 600 Ballpoint Pen

#88
post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can buy a Uniball One-F (the premium body) and put Jetstream refills in there as a drop-in replacement. Note though that for longevity in engineering notebooks I don’t like to use Jetstreams because of the yellowing seepage problem over time. But for everyday throwaway writing this setup is the ideal best of both worlds.

Since you're kindly offering recommendations, what do you use for longevity in engineering notebooks?

If you want a low maintenance option, your best choice will be fade-proof pigment inked systems.

From top of my head:

    - UniBall Eye / Vision Elite's Red, Blue, Black and Green (look for fade-proof / water-poof note, or SuperINK)
    - Sakura / Faber Castell / Rotring pigment inked, felt tip markers (Look for Archival Ink / Fade Resistant)
If you prefer fountain pens:

    - Pelikan 4001 blue black (which is not sold in the US)
    - Rohrer & Klinger's Iron Gall inks (scribosa, ebony, etc.)
    - Noodler's "Bulletproof" series cellulose reactive inks.
    - Lamy Blue Black
    - Lamy Crystal Benitonite
    - Montblanc Permanent Blue / Permanent Black
I'm sure there are many more, but these are the ones I know and had experience with.

Always use an acid-free higher quality paper. Leuchtturm 1917, Rhodia, Yu-Sari, Mnemosyne comes to my mind. Do NOT use Moleskine notebooks with fountain pens. They are not designed for fountain pens.

Re: Rotring 600 Ballpoint Pen

#90
post #24

I still think that fountain pens are the pinnacle of writing stationery. One lasts generations and there's no consumables that need recycling or disposing of, if you use a rechargeable cartridge and buy ink bottles.

> there's no consumables that need recycling or disposing of, if you use a rechargeable cartridge and buy ink bottles. Genuine question: don't you need to dispose or recycle the ink bottles?

They’re usually glass and last years. So maybe Gp isn’t counting that as consumable
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