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Scientists may have found a way to eliminate chromosome linked to Down syndrome

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Re: Scientists may have found a way to eliminate chromosome linked to Down syndrome

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Post by hankman86 »

wyldfire wrote: post #15
whatshisface wrote: post #7

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What's better for them should be the overriding concern and that's to have a normal development.

I don't know if it's the case for folks with Down Syndrome (I suppose it's likely not), but hearing-impaired folks have their own culture to the point that in the past it was seen as some as a betrayal to the community to seek out cochlear implants. I think having their own language does a lot to create unity among them. All that above is to say that I wonder if some folks in Down Syndrome might actually prefer their…

Most do not have the cognitive abilities for these kinds of philosophical debates.

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Post by phs318u »

hilsdev wrote: post #75
creakingstairs wrote: post #56

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Is it just me or do I feel like the society is way more accepting nowadays? I had to pretty much hide who I was during school due to fear of bullying/ not fitting in but most kids these days seem to be able to be themselves in many ways. I agree we can be friendlier though!

You’re right the world is a lot more accepting. No matter how much things improve and how positive the trajectory though, there will be someone online who tells us it’s not enough

Yes, and there will be others rolling their eyes and calling out all this "woke" acceptance.

On a serious note, if the world is a lot more accepting, it's mostly because the youngest generations are a lot more accepting, and the more bigoted among us (which tend to skew older) are slowly dying off.

Re: Scientists may have found a way to eliminate chromosome linked to Down syndrome

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Post by zarzavat »

SJC_Hacker wrote: post #57

It was well on its way to being eliminated in much of the First World through screening during pregnancy at around 2-3 months. Alot of mothers were electing to terminate the pregnancy and perhaps try again. Especially much of Europe which didn't quite have the moral objections against abortion that the US does, save for a few countries who still have substantial observant Catholics such as Ireland and Poland. Here's…

> Some bioethics experts are concerned

I do have to wonder what goes on in the minds of these people. My sister-in-law has a child with Down's syndrome and the situation basically ruined her life. She can no longer work, so they now struggle on a single income, if her husband were to leave her she would be completely screwed. To what end is that in the continuance of ethics?

Re: Scientists may have found a way to eliminate chromosome linked to Down syndrome

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Post by nine_k »

afavour wrote: post #63
nkrisc wrote: post #25

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I think there’s a difference between appreciating those among us who have it for their perspective and differences and wishing it upon your child. I admit I was absolutely relieved when pre-natal screening was negative for it, both times. But if that was the hand we were dealt, then I’d take it. But that doesn’t mean I want it.

Honestly it’s confounding to even think about it. Aborting a fetus with Down’s syndrome? Feels cruel to deprive someone of life for that. But if it meant you went on to have another child you otherwise wouldn’t have then you’re giving life. I think at a certain point you can’t consider this stuff rationally.

At 2 months, there's still no "someone" to speak of. It's an inch long, with some foundational structures of the nervous system beginning to form.

Re: Scientists may have found a way to eliminate chromosome linked to Down syndrome

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Post by phs318u »

foolfoolz wrote: post #80
puppycodes wrote: post #10

Interesting, I wonder what else this might lead too! Encouraging we might be getting somewhere. I used to live near a Down syndrome center where a bunch of folks lived and I remember this one lady who was kitted out with Britney Spears everything, lunchbox, t-shirt, hat, and headphones. Everyday I passed by the bus stop she would be dancing her heart out to a Britney track waiting for the bus and it made my world a l…

we are going to become very good at this. eliminating genetic errors, choosing to be straight, tall, etc

...blonde, blue-eyed, round-eyed, strong-jawed, big-dicked, big boobed, you name it, you can have it!

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Post by r14c »

hilsdev wrote: post #75
creakingstairs wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it just me or do I feel like the society is way more accepting nowadays? I had to pretty much hide who I was during school due to fear of bullying/ not fitting in but most kids these days seem to be able to be themselves in many ways. I agree we can be friendlier though!

You’re right the world is a lot more accepting. No matter how much things improve and how positive the trajectory though, there will be someone online who tells us it’s not enough

Generally that's because they're in the group (or have some sympathy for the group) that still isn't being accepted and may otherwise face obstacles that make it difficult to live a fulfilling life.

tolerance is a peace treaty, but there are a ton of gaps in how we implement it because our default socially and politically is more-so based in privilege than co-existance.

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Post by decremental »

zarzavat wrote: post #83
SJC_Hacker wrote: post #57

It was well on its way to being eliminated in much of the First World through screening during pregnancy at around 2-3 months. Alot of mothers were electing to terminate the pregnancy and perhaps try again. Especially much of Europe which didn't quite have the moral objections against abortion that the US does, save for a few countries who still have substantial observant Catholics such as Ireland and Poland. Here's…

> Some bioethics experts are concerned I do have to wonder what goes on in the minds of these people. My sister-in-law has a child with Down's syndrome and the situation basically ruined her life. She can no longer work, so they now struggle on a single income, if her husband were to leave her she would be completely screwed. To what end is that in the continuance of ethics?

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Post by irrational »

phs318u wrote: post #85
foolfoolz wrote: post #80

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we are going to become very good at this. eliminating genetic errors, choosing to be straight, tall, etc

...blonde, blue-eyed, round-eyed, strong-jawed, big-dicked, big boobed, you name it, you can have it!

Five out of six ain’t bad. Though, if my man boobs get a bit bigger…

Re: Scientists may have found a way to eliminate chromosome linked to Down syndrome

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Post by hankman86 »

SegfaultSeagull wrote: post #37

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I have been wondering how culturally conservative societies would use future medical interventions that could shape people’s sexuality. Not necessarily the government requiring expecting mothers to subject the unborn child to some sort of “cure” for gayness. But parents doing this voluntarily and on their own. Even western couples might then be tempted to travel to countries permitting these treatments.

At the same time, it seems unlikely in the near future. It so happens that western societies will not fund this kind of research. And that culturally conservative countries do not have the scientific prowess to conduct research in this regard. Also, their scientists are busy developing nuclear bombs.

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