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FDA Authorizes Juul E-Cigarettes

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Not sure what you seem to refer to. If it is abortion, then that is restricted in the same spirit as murder is prohibited.

Murder has a victim. Abortion does not.

The unborn baby can be considered a life. That is the victim. You and I may not agree, but that is politics

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It is not so much about what the govt can’t do. It is more about what it should not do. It is the philosophy of govt that is in the MAGA political discourse. I am not of the opinion that govt should not be placing restrictions. That is literally the definition of laws. I am of the opinion that govt should not regulate how someone can do something. Loosening a ban on menthol, not because it was harmful, but because it…

There is no consistent agreement about what the government can or cannot do within MAGA. That's why it's not a framework for global discourse. It is a joke even within conservative circles. "Let me control my own health" up until abortion is mentioned. "We need better surveillance measures" up until that surveillance is used against them. "Law enforcement needs more privileges" until they harass your daughter with th…

That is not inconsistency. That is double standards. They are willing to uphold a rule until it bites back against them. This is mob mentality. And a reason for why democracy does not work (unless the mob is diffused).

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Put it behind the pharmacy counter and require a prescription then. This is just a way to hook teenagers on tobacco.

So instead of addressing access we're just going to invent another hurdle from the same cloth? Is alcohol made to hook teenagers on drinking?

Yeah, I think most alcohol advertising is aimed at trying to addict people as young as possible.

You are the one who proposed that this product is to be used as a medical device, so why wouldn't we treat it like one?

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Considering vaping is an effective means to get people off cigarettes, I would guess so. MAHA is garbage but this is a good change.

And you get people to switch from cigarettes to ecigs by permitted flavors targetted at children? How many children, enticed by the fruit flavors, pick up a life time habit of tobacco use?

Are we going to outlaw fruity cocktails as well? There has to be better ways of allowing adults to indulge than outright bans.

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Watch the documentary on Netflix, it is wild to see people start with noble intentions and then little by little, money absolutely corrupts everyone at Juul. Sick, sad and they make up so many excuses to try and project that they have some moral character. They aren't really trying to convince us of that, they are trying to convince themselves of it.

I dunno about that. Pretty much everyone from day 1 only cared about making money.

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So instead of addressing access we're just going to invent another hurdle from the same cloth? Is alcohol made to hook teenagers on drinking?

Yeah, I think most alcohol advertising is aimed at trying to addict people as young as possible. You are the one who proposed that this product is to be used as a medical device, so why wouldn't we treat it like one?

Saying it can help people get off cigarettes doesn't mean it should be a medical device and require a prescription. Not to mention nicotine lozenges and patches are over the counter.

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And you get people to switch from cigarettes to ecigs by permitted flavors targetted at children? How many children, enticed by the fruit flavors, pick up a life time habit of tobacco use?

Are we going to outlaw fruity cocktails as well? There has to be better ways of allowing adults to indulge than outright bans.

Exactly! You can go to any place that sells or offers alcohol and there are tons of different flavors available and most people consider that cultured. But when it comes to vaping it suddenly only exists to entice children.

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Restrictions placed by govt is not a part of MAHA, and is anti MAGA.

Except of course for government restrictions on women's reproductive healthcare. Those seem to be fine.

And expanding government restrictions on vaccines.

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I'm not sure what your point is here. It did cause a spike and once again it is going down. The trend isn't reversed, it was a data spike. Even severely anti-vaping organizations like Truth Initiative reflect this too. https://truthinitiative.org/research-resources/emerging-toba... We are far past the apex of teen vaping in 2019.

I wonder why we're past the apex of teen vaping. It can't possibly be because we banned flavors in ecigs that targeted kids. It's almost like saying we should stop vaccinating because the rate of disease has dropped after decades of vaccination

Correlation does not equal causation. Why did teen drinking drop? We didn't ban flavored alcohol. It dropped because enforcement went up. Fines were greater for businesses and those who sold to minors. More time was put into ensuring common places of sale were not selling to minors.

Are you seriously making the argument that any flavor outside of tobacco and menthol is targeted at kids? That no adult likes the flavor of funnel cake and fruit? Because I can show you the massive amount of vape shops across the country that sell through flavors quickly and it's not to kids. The mentality of making something taste worse to prevent people from consuming it because you think it's bad is based in prohibition era puritanical thinking. Not to mention it's directly benefitting tobacco companies by keeping people smoking cigarettes.

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And you get people to switch from cigarettes to ecigs by permitted flavors targetted at children? How many children, enticed by the fruit flavors, pick up a life time habit of tobacco use?

Are we going to outlaw fruity cocktails as well? There has to be better ways of allowing adults to indulge than outright bans.

Kids already generally find it much harder to obtain cocktails than to obtain e-cigarettes. Regulating particular cocktail flavors is unlikely to have a noticeable affect on kid cocktail use.

E-cigarettes are much easier to obtain and so any product features particularly attractive to kids are much more likely to have a significant affect.

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