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Apple's Browser Engine Ban Persists, Even Under the DMA

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Re: Apple's Browser Engine Ban Persists, Even Under the DMA

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Post by xnx »

IshKebab wrote: post #74
pickledoyster wrote: post #55

On top of that, iOS continues to push Safari on users by disregarding their default browser settings. Steps to reproduce: 0. Select a different default browser, delete the Safari app (just for good measure, even though it's not really possible just like deleting IE in older Win versions) 1. Open the Books app 2. Select text 3. Select Search 4. Press Search the Web 5. Safari search results open as you stare in disbeli…

Google does this too on Android in a few places. Stuff still opens in Chrome even if Firefox is the default.

Do you know of an example? I use a non-Chrome browser on Android and can't remember encountering this.

Re: Apple's Browser Engine Ban Persists, Even Under the DMA

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Post by doabell »

Jyaif wrote: post #44

> Safari is the highest margin product Apple has ever made. Anybody has the number of committers to webkit from Apple? It would give us a good idea on the margin of the product. Assuming 100 engineers costing Apple 500k per year, that's 50 millions in investment for 20 billion in revenue. > For each 1% browser market share that Apple loses for Safari, Apple is set to lose $200 million in revenue per year. They should…

> They should be investing like crazy to make Safari the best browser out there

So true. It didn’t occur to me that I had naturally assumed Safari to be worse, when it would have been better in a more competitive market. So by relying on monopolistic behavior, Apple is also partly responsible for the Chromium monopoly (that this law will help solidify).

Re: Apple's Browser Engine Ban Persists, Even Under the DMA

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Post by 0xTJ »

IshKebab wrote: post #74
pickledoyster wrote: post #55

On top of that, iOS continues to push Safari on users by disregarding their default browser settings. Steps to reproduce: 0. Select a different default browser, delete the Safari app (just for good measure, even though it's not really possible just like deleting IE in older Win versions) 1. Open the Books app 2. Select text 3. Select Search 4. Press Search the Web 5. Safari search results open as you stare in disbeli…

Google does this too on Android in a few places. Stuff still opens in Chrome even if Firefox is the default.

I have Chrome disabled, and every link that I open comes up in the standalone non-full-browser version of Firefox. I don't know if it would behave differently is Chrome was available, but I don't give it the chance.

Re: Apple's Browser Engine Ban Persists, Even Under the DMA

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Post by khalic »

pickledoyster wrote: post #55

On top of that, iOS continues to push Safari on users by disregarding their default browser settings. Steps to reproduce: 0. Select a different default browser, delete the Safari app (just for good measure, even though it's not really possible just like deleting IE in older Win versions) 1. Open the Books app 2. Select text 3. Select Search 4. Press Search the Web 5. Safari search results open as you stare in disbeli…

This is because the safari app is a wrapper for apple’s webview, which is the only way to display web content on iOS, that’s what the article is talking about

Re: Apple's Browser Engine Ban Persists, Even Under the DMA

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Post by the_third_wave »

IshKebab wrote: post #74
pickledoyster wrote: post #55

On top of that, iOS continues to push Safari on users by disregarding their default browser settings. Steps to reproduce: 0. Select a different default browser, delete the Safari app (just for good measure, even though it's not really possible just like deleting IE in older Win versions) 1. Open the Books app 2. Select text 3. Select Search 4. Press Search the Web 5. Safari search results open as you stare in disbeli…

Google does this too on Android in a few places. Stuff still opens in Chrome even if Firefox is the default.

No Chrome, no problem. Just remove it or - better still - never install it. Use an AOSP-derived distribution like Lineage, use Cromite as system we view and all your browser engines are belong to you.

Re: Apple's Browser Engine Ban Persists, Even Under the DMA

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Post by ffgbbvv66 »

xnx wrote: post #81
IshKebab wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google does this too on Android in a few places. Stuff still opens in Chrome even if Firefox is the default.

Do you know of an example? I use a non-Chrome browser on Android and can't remember encountering this.

Some apps specifically open chrome, e.g. chatgpt was doing that for login. Dunno if still is.

Re: Apple's Browser Engine Ban Persists, Even Under the DMA

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Post by wizzwizz4 »

conradfr wrote: post #12
ThatMedicIsASpy wrote: post #11

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What a load of BS. How can I test my website on safari without owning Apple hardware? I can't so I don't.

Not the most practical but you can rent a macOS VM.

Browserling has a usable free trial. They have a finite number of VMs dedicated to the trial, so sometimes it takes a while to get to the front of the queue, but it's been good enough when I've needed it. https://www.browserling.com/

Re: Apple's Browser Engine Ban Persists, Even Under the DMA

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Post by seritools »

xnx wrote: post #81
IshKebab wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google does this too on Android in a few places. Stuff still opens in Chrome even if Firefox is the default.

Do you know of an example? I use a non-Chrome browser on Android and can't remember encountering this.

it's the "thin" browsers that are half-embedded in other apps, such as Google News. In the menu you can see "Running in Chrome" and "Open in "

Re: Apple's Browser Engine Ban Persists, Even Under the DMA

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Post by elashri »

RegW wrote: post #68
systemtest wrote: post #17

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Those popups I get multiple times a day about how this website works better on Chrome , which cover half my screen and which forward me to the App Store, are incredibly misleading. I have misclicked many times and then the App Store opens up. If you go back to the browser and hit the back button, it will again open the App Store. I have to press and hold the back button and skip multiple pages to get back to what I w…

Strange - I don't get this in Firefox. I wonder if its because I'm in the UK or perhaps Privacy Badger is blocking it.

I think we are talking about phones here because on macOS you can use any browser without limitation.
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