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Re: Andrew Ng: Building Faster with AI [video]

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This talk is deceptively simple. The most sage advice that founders routinely forget is what concrete idea are you going to implement and why do you think it will work? There has be a way to invalidate your idea and as a corollary you must have the focus to collect the data and properly invalidate it.

Hey Mehul, crossed paths with you at AWS. Good to see you are doing your own thing now. We could connect sometime

Re: Andrew Ng: Building Faster with AI [video]

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I’m 20 minutes into the video and it does seem mostly basic and agreeable. Two arguments from Ng that really stuck out that is really tripping my skepticism alarm are: 1) He mentions how fast prototyping has begun because generating a simple app has become easier with AI. This, to me, has always been quick and never the bottleneck for any company I’ve been at, including startups. Validating an idea was simple enough…

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Re: Andrew Ng: Building Faster with AI [video]

#83

I’m 20 minutes into the video and it does seem mostly basic and agreeable. Two arguments from Ng that really stuck out that is really tripping my skepticism alarm are: 1) He mentions how fast prototyping has begun because generating a simple app has become easier with AI. This, to me, has always been quick and never the bottleneck for any company I’ve been at, including startups. Validating an idea was simple enough…

At my company everybody codes, including PMs and business people. It can definitely be damaging done in the long run without any supervision from an actual programmer. This is why we assign an engineer to review every PR of a vibe coded project and they don’t really need all of the context to detect bs approaches that will surely fail. About prototyping - its much faster and i dont know how anyone can argue this. PMs…

> This is why we assign an engineer to review every PR of a vibe coded project and they don’t really need all of the context to detect bs approaches that will surely fail.

I see this trend in many companies as well, just curious, how do you make sure engineering time is not wasted reviewing so many PRs? Because, some of them will be good, you only need couple of your bets to take off, some definitely bad

Re: Andrew Ng: Building Faster with AI [video]

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I’m 20 minutes into the video and it does seem mostly basic and agreeable. Two arguments from Ng that really stuck out that is really tripping my skepticism alarm are: 1) He mentions how fast prototyping has begun because generating a simple app has become easier with AI. This, to me, has always been quick and never the bottleneck for any company I’ve been at, including startups. Validating an idea was simple enough…

At my company everybody codes, including PMs and business people. It can definitely be damaging done in the long run without any supervision from an actual programmer. This is why we assign an engineer to review every PR of a vibe coded project and they don’t really need all of the context to detect bs approaches that will surely fail. About prototyping - its much faster and i dont know how anyone can argue this. PMs…

Good lord I think I'd rather eat a shotgun than be forced to review a billion garbage PRs made by PMs and other non-technical colleagues. It's bad enough reviewing PRs backenders write for FE features badly with AI (and vice versa), I cannot even imagine the pits of hell this crap is like.

What happens when inevitably the PR/code is horrid? Do they just keep prompting and pushing out slop that some poor overworked dev is now forced to sit through lest he get PIP'd for not being brainwashed by LLMs yet?

Re: Andrew Ng: Building Faster with AI [video]

#85

I’m 20 minutes into the video and it does seem mostly basic and agreeable. Two arguments from Ng that really stuck out that is really tripping my skepticism alarm are: 1) He mentions how fast prototyping has begun because generating a simple app has become easier with AI. This, to me, has always been quick and never the bottleneck for any company I’ve been at, including startups. Validating an idea was simple enough…

The “everyone should code” idea has been done and shown to fail for the past 15 years - I pretty much completely agree, and this idea shows the outsized importance on programming as some kind of inherently superior activity, and bringing the ability to program to the masses as some kind of ultimate good.

If you've worked long enough and had interacted with people with varied skillsets, people who don't code aren't only there for show, in fact, depending on the type of company you work at, their jobs might be genuinely more important for the company's success than yours.

Re: Andrew Ng: Building Faster with AI [video]

#86
> 1 product manager to 0.5 engineers

I would love to have access to whatever this guy is smoking, cause that is some grade-A mind rotted insanity right there. I can count on half of 1 hand the number of good PMs I've had trough my career who weren't a net negative on the projects/companies, and even they most definitely cannot build jackshit by throwing a bunch of LLM-hallucinated crap at the wall and seeing what sticks.

But sure, the devs are the ones that are going to be replaced by the clueless middle managers who only exist to waste everyone's time.

Re: Andrew Ng: Building Faster with AI [video]

#87

> 1 product manager to 0.5 engineers I would love to have access to whatever this guy is smoking, cause that is some grade-A mind rotted insanity right there. I can count on half of 1 hand the number of good PMs I've had trough my career who weren't a net negative on the projects/companies, and even they most definitely cannot build jackshit by throwing a bunch of LLM-hallucinated crap at the wall and seeing what sti…

Or is it the other way around? Project managers who can't actually competently execute won't be able to hang?

In the end, what if technically sharp designers and well rounded developers actually end up pushing out incompetent managers?

Could be wishful thinking but you never know.

Re: Andrew Ng: Building Faster with AI [video]

#88

> 1 product manager to 0.5 engineers I would love to have access to whatever this guy is smoking, cause that is some grade-A mind rotted insanity right there. I can count on half of 1 hand the number of good PMs I've had trough my career who weren't a net negative on the projects/companies, and even they most definitely cannot build jackshit by throwing a bunch of LLM-hallucinated crap at the wall and seeing what sti…

he’s saying that the productivity of devs is increasing so much, especially during the prototyping phase, that gathering feedback is becoming the bottleneck, hence there is more PM labor needed. he didn’t say anything about reducing the quantity of dev labor needed.

Re: Andrew Ng: Building Faster with AI [video]

#89

not a single word about overwhelming replacement of humans with AI. nothing about countless jobs lost. nothing about ever increasing competition and rat-race. (speaking of software, but applies to all industries). his rose-glasses view is somewhere in between optimism-in-denial to straight-up lunacy. if this is the leader(s) we have been following, this should be a wake up call.

How dare you insinuate that there might be negatives in a new technology. Outrageous. AI good.

Re: Andrew Ng: Building Faster with AI [video]

#90

> 1 product manager to 0.5 engineers I would love to have access to whatever this guy is smoking, cause that is some grade-A mind rotted insanity right there. I can count on half of 1 hand the number of good PMs I've had trough my career who weren't a net negative on the projects/companies, and even they most definitely cannot build jackshit by throwing a bunch of LLM-hallucinated crap at the wall and seeing what sti…

Or is it the other way around? Project managers who can't actually competently execute won't be able to hang? In the end, what if technically sharp designers and well rounded developers actually end up pushing out incompetent managers? Could be wishful thinking but you never know.

Case in point: https://old.reddit.com/r/ProductManagement/comments/1lw9r9h/...

(the comments are especially revealing)

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