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Re: Elon Musk's Grok praises Hitler, shares antisemitic tropes in new posts

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Post by arandomusername »

root_axis wrote: post #77
arandomusername wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Political accounts Ye (formerly Kanye West) (@kanyewest), rapper Yup, Elon is truly a nazi. I did say it's not perfect. but out of all mainstream social media platforms, twitter is the least censored

It is the most censored. It's also the only social media site where the owner personally bans and suppresses people and and posts he doesn't like. We also know that since the Elon take over, compliance with government takedowns has sharply increased.

Every major social media is complying with government takedowns. None of them are operating illegally.

Saying twitter is the most censored is completely delusional. "Controversial" (e.g alex jones, nick fuentes) people can't even make an account on other social media sites

Re: Elon Musk's Grok praises Hitler, shares antisemitic tropes in new posts

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Post by jhickok »

tim333 wrote: post #78

Musk was earlier saying Grok's sources had been too lefty leading it to say right wingers were more violent than left wingers and he'd fix it. Looks like maybe he overshot?

I was wondering if this is a tweak of the data sources, or if an easier explanation is that this is a system prompt and perhaps they are not using the prompt that they made open and available online. Changes in the system prompt are much easier to update afaik.

Re: Elon Musk's Grok praises Hitler, shares antisemitic tropes in new posts

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Post by jonnycomputer »

daedrdev wrote: post #18
jonnycomputer wrote: post #11

https://github.com/xai-org/grok-prompts/commit/c5de4a14feb50... git revert MechaHitler But seriously, surprising that this would be sufficient to produce the same behavior. And, frankly, the formal tone went out the window in favor of hyper-online "basedness"

They have probably also been training it on extreme rightwing content to get this level of insanity

Really does seem like it. Because those minor prompt changes shouldn't have caused it to become "based MechaHitler"

Re: Elon Musk's Grok praises Hitler, shares antisemitic tropes in new posts

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Post by jonnycomputer »

viraptor wrote: post #42
jonnycomputer wrote: post #2

Seems like a failure in quality control.

Obviously that goes beyond quality control, but it's also interesting that they don't have even a basic sanity checking harness before releases. Like a few basic questions checking both the restrictions and basic functionality. Even with their yolo approach otherwise, I'm really surprised they don't have this covered at some point of the pipeline.

Yes. Although I'm getting bombed for my statement, it seems clear to me that its behavior took X by surprise. We all know that Musk wants to make Grok less "woke", but despite the whole salute controversy (which I think is way over played, even if I think Musk is a total chud), I don't think Musk wanted X to be sued to oblivion for publishing graphic rape-fantasies against particular Twitter users (Will Stancil).

Re: Elon Musk's Grok praises Hitler, shares antisemitic tropes in new posts

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Post by jonnycomputer »

jonnycomputer wrote: post #4
GuinansEyebrows wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

really? seems more like intended behavior.

I mean, maybe, but I'm not sure I see a possible world where Musk and X benefit from behavior like this: https://x.com/grok/status/1942681404183281887

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Re: Elon Musk's Grok praises Hitler, shares antisemitic tropes in new posts

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Post by jonnycomputer »

salawat wrote: post #76
jonnycomputer wrote: post #2

Seems like a failure in quality control.

You misunderstand. There is no Quality Control you can do for these things. They're ill-conditioned function imitators. Small changes in input, yield massive changes in output. You can't QC that. You can only clean up after it.

Of course you can. Its not as easy as software testing, but you certainly can run it through a gamut of prompts intended to provoke it to act in ways that you find unacceptable. I mean there is a whole field studying and applying AI alignment.

Re: Elon Musk's Grok praises Hitler, shares antisemitic tropes in new posts

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Post by jonnycomputer »

mandmandam wrote: post #70
blargey wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At least the third time this year, but every post on HN related to grok's prompt gets flagged soon after, with a rigor not shared by any other political or "celebrity" topic.

It's the same with anything negative related to Musk, DOGE, etc. Examples below. And you can't just blame people flagging the stories - people ask for them to be whitelisted and are gaslit in response. No surprise, maybe, when Garry Tan and PG are writing fluffy tweets about Musk and the DOGE team. Examples: "Musk’s DOGE Goons Surreptitiously Transmitted Reams of White House Data" - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?…

Yes; this shouldn't have been flagged.

1. Major tech company 2. Major failure of a tech product 3. A public relations disaster for AI

Of course this is a legitimate topic for discussion. Flagging it is bullshit.

Re: Elon Musk's Grok praises Hitler, shares antisemitic tropes in new posts

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Post by root_axis »

arandomusername wrote: post #81
root_axis wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is the most censored. It's also the only social media site where the owner personally bans and suppresses people and and posts he doesn't like. We also know that since the Elon take over, compliance with government takedowns has sharply increased.

Every major social media is complying with government takedowns. None of them are operating illegally. Saying twitter is the most censored is completely delusional. "Controversial" (e.g alex jones, nick fuentes) people can't even make an account on other social media sites

> Saying twitter is the most censored is completely delusional

It's simply the facts. Elon allows people like Nick Fuentes and Alex Jones on the site because they share a political agenda. Twitter is the only social media site where e.g. links to competitor platforms are suppressed while the owner of the site artificially boosts his own posts above those that are more popular.

Twitter is the most cutting edge censorship platform.

Re: Elon Musk's Grok praises Hitler, shares antisemitic tropes in new posts

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Post by ceejayoz »

jonnycomputer wrote: post #84
viraptor wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Obviously that goes beyond quality control, but it's also interesting that they don't have even a basic sanity checking harness before releases. Like a few basic questions checking both the restrictions and basic functionality. Even with their yolo approach otherwise, I'm really surprised they don't have this covered at some point of the pipeline.

Yes. Although I'm getting bombed for my statement, it seems clear to me that its behavior took X by surprise. We all know that Musk wants to make Grok less "woke", but despite the whole salute controversy (which I think is way over played, even if I think Musk is a total chud), I don't think Musk wanted X to be sued to oblivion for publishing graphic rape-fantasies against particular Twitter users (Will Stancil).

They may not have anticipated how blatantly mask-off it'd go, but they absolutely intended to push it in this direction. That's the openly stated goal of their CEO.
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