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What I learned gathering nootropic ratings (2022)

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Re: What I learned gathering nootropic ratings (2022)

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Post by MangoToupe »

Workaccount2 wrote: post #2

Another win for exercising. It's crazy to me how many people have miserable health, complain about their body and mental state endlessly, but still put up any roadblock they can think of to avoid exercising of any form.

>It's crazy to me how many people have miserable health, complain about their body and mental state endlessly, but still put up any roadblock they can think of to avoid exercising of any form.

I don't think it's that weird. Exercising, particularly cardio, for its own sake, without something you're trying to accomplish with your effort, feels very bad.

Re: What I learned gathering nootropic ratings (2022)

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Post by taeric »

burningChrome wrote: post #66
taeric wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the big road block for many people is that exercise itself also hurts? I know that is a hurdle I have with my kids. They complain that jogging/running hurts. It is hard to convince people that that never really changes, and that it also hurts for the people that are doing it every day. Obviously acute pains are a different thing, but there is a reason recovery is a vital part of exercise. We all have to recov…

I hate running and I played soccer for the majority of my life. As I've gotten older, I've found other activities to fill the void such as rock climbing and mountain biking. Both can be strenuous when you want them to be, but you can also take it easy. Combined with low level weight training, I've found it a lot more enjoyable since both require your brain to be 100% engaged when doing it so there's also a mental boo…

I'm thinking the vocabulary is oddly reflective.

You reference that they can be strenuous. My bet is that you often choose to push to a strenuous feeling often during the training period of each of these. My further bet is what you call "strenuous", I'm asserting that those unfamiliar would call "painful."

To be clear, I'm not claiming that you are constantly hurting yourself. I am claiming that if you weren't familiar with the feeling, you'd call it a pain. I'm thinking back to the original Matrix, "why do my eyes hurt?"

Re: What I learned gathering nootropic ratings (2022)

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Post by MangoToupe »

gavinray wrote: post #12
Workaccount2 wrote: post #2

Another win for exercising. It's crazy to me how many people have miserable health, complain about their body and mental state endlessly, but still put up any roadblock they can think of to avoid exercising of any form.

It's amazing what + a diet of "real"/non-processed foods will do for your health.

> non-processed foods

Do you really not eat bread? We've got to come up with better ways to categorize foods. At face value such a term seems to imply you should only eat raw food.

Re: What I learned gathering nootropic ratings (2022)

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Post by majkinetor »

mdaverde wrote: post #22
Workaccount2 wrote: post #2

Another win for exercising. It's crazy to me how many people have miserable health, complain about their body and mental state endlessly, but still put up any roadblock they can think of to avoid exercising of any form.

The answer to miserable health isn't exercise. It's high quality sleep.

The more you age, the more you need regular sleep, it seems. Its basically the only thing that I can't fix nowadays any other way but going to bed. Modafinil can help for a couple of days but that's it.

Re: What I learned gathering nootropic ratings (2022)

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Post by majkinetor »

BMc2020 wrote: post #41
Workaccount2 wrote: post #2

Another win for exercising. It's crazy to me how many people have miserable health, complain about their body and mental state endlessly, but still put up any roadblock they can think of to avoid exercising of any form.

What I want is a pill that makes me exercise.

Sauna is form of exercise surogate.

Re: What I learned gathering nootropic ratings (2022)

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Post by pphysch »

MangoToupe wrote: post #81
Workaccount2 wrote: post #2

Another win for exercising. It's crazy to me how many people have miserable health, complain about their body and mental state endlessly, but still put up any roadblock they can think of to avoid exercising of any form.

>It's crazy to me how many people have miserable health, complain about their body and mental state endlessly, but still put up any roadblock they can think of to avoid exercising of any form. I don't think it's that weird. Exercising, particularly cardio, for its own sake, without something you're trying to accomplish with your effort, feels very bad.

"Not exercising" also feels very bad, just on a different time scale.

Re: What I learned gathering nootropic ratings (2022)

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Post by majkinetor »

echelon wrote: post #36
majkinetor wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And yet, nobody mentions how supplements can't generally damage you, but a few days in a gym can fuck you up for an entire year, even with a lot of experience. I basically never met anybody who does regular resistance training without having some sort of pain somewhere, all the time. Maybe if you are underdoing it its possible but if you follow the muscle building theory, you are certainly going to get fucked eventua…

> I basically never met anybody who does regular resistance training without having some sort of pain somewhere, all the time. That kind of pain quickly subsides after relaxing your routine though. It's not chronic. The inflammation pathways aren't the same as disease state pathways.

That is simply not true. Any tendon/ligament issue will take at least 6 months.

Re: What I learned gathering nootropic ratings (2022)

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Post by arresin »

perrygeo wrote: post #77
Analemma_ wrote: post #7

The tl;dr is: 1. Apart from ADHD medications, which are very powerful, most drugs and weird obscure supplements have little effect (there are some intriguing but noisy results about peptides). 2. Exercise— especially weightlifting and HIIT— is also very powerful. There's evidence of a dose-response curve where light exercise is good but intense is better. Arguably this is pretty unsurprising, from an evolutionary per…

So regular exercise (lifting, HIIT, and light cardio outdoors) is literally that one weird trick. It's hard to identify any downsides but the upsides are tremendous. It's amazing that people will go out ingesting all sorts of questionable substances just to avoid getting in shape.

There is one more set of substances that work extremely well in partnership and are not harmful. The first is huperzine-a.

Re: What I learned gathering nootropic ratings (2022)

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Post by pphysch »

MangoToupe wrote: post #83
gavinray wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's amazing what + a diet of "real"/non-processed foods will do for your health.

> non-processed foods Do you really not eat bread? We've got to come up with better ways to categorize foods. At face value such a term seems to imply you should only eat raw food.

I do avoid eating (highly processed white) bread in most meals, because it doesn't make me feel great.

We're really targeting "highly-processed" foods. Personally I draw a line between sausage that went through something resembling a hand-powered meat grinder vs. sausage that has been obliterated into a fine pink sludge and reformed. Both are processed, but the latter is highly processed, with more room for additives.

Re: What I learned gathering nootropic ratings (2022)

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Post by andrewla »

w10-1 wrote: post #69

This is a beautiful bit of statistics, but perhaps displaced into self-reflection. All therapy, practiced with any consistency, is effective -- probably because sacrificing for one's self builds up self-investment, and self-investment leads to self-protective decision-making that improves outcome and outlook. Nootropics with perceptible feedback will always seem to be working. This might make their practice more cons…

> All therapy, practiced with any consistency, is effective

This is just clearly false?

I don't mean to go super-literal here, but unless you have a very narrow definition of what counts as therapy (or if your definition of "therapy" is simply "any thing which, practiced with consistency, is effective") this is not even wrong.

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