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More on Apple's Trust-Eroding 'F1 the Movie' Wallet Ad

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Re: More on Apple's Trust-Eroding 'F1 the Movie' Wallet Ad

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They are also marketing “nearby” coffee shops in the Home Screen stack widget which is pretty invasive, I’m surprised not to hear about it

They're not. The Maps widget shows you nearby businesses. You can remove the widget.

so, they're not and you can remove the thing that doesn't exist?

Re: More on Apple's Trust-Eroding 'F1 the Movie' Wallet Ad

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post #60
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because Apple makes its money by selling you hardware and services, not by selling advertising. Companies ultimately serve whoever they make their money from; and none of the other big tech players have a comprehensive business model where the end user is the customer instead of the product. And because it has positioned itself as the single most prominent privacy-conscious champion in big tech through repeated actio…

> lack of openness Lack of openness means lack of privacy. If we can't install apps on the side that have proper adblock filtering, then all the promises in the world are hollow.

Lack of openness means a lack of privacy in theory, but in practice, openness often results in less privacy. The average user lacks the knowledge, time, and motivation to install and configure open systems to maximize privacy. They're likely to make mistakes that expose private data.

A closed system that prioritizes privacy will result in more users benefiting from greater privacy overall, even if it does give the platform more control than is ideal. And that's the issue with the wallet ads: Apple makes users more secure on average, but it depends on user trust, which it just betrayed.

Those who can take advantage of total control are a minority, and they are not really the people Apple cares about.

Re: More on Apple's Trust-Eroding 'F1 the Movie' Wallet Ad

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post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Was it an ad or an easter egg, like the "google.com" logo animations you get on new years and other holidays? Did it send a push notification or bother the user? Got a screenshot or reference, since a quick google doesn't uncover it?

Yeah it was an Easter egg style thing, similar to when the change the Google logo for special occasions. Not comparable to a push add for a movie (which I also haven't seen a screenshot of yet to be fair)

> which I also haven't seen a screenshot of yet to be fair

The article links to https://daringfireball.net/linked/2025/06/26/apple-wallet-se...

Which links to these examples:

https://x.com/ParkerOrtolani/status/1937551035825807545

https://www.reddit.com/r/AppleWallet/comments/1ljbjrs/how_do...

https://www.macrumors.com/2025/06/24/apple-wallet-notificati...

(and actually a few more too)

Re: More on Apple's Trust-Eroding 'F1 the Movie' Wallet Ad

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post #21

I think a conclusion has been leaped to that is not necessarily true. If everyone is getting the same annoying ad (in both wallet and App Store), then what individual user tracking or surveillance is happening? Certainly none is required. It’s still annoying AF and it’s clear they didn’t learn their lesson from U2. But I don’t jump to the conclusion that “Apple is spying on me”. Instead I conclude “iOS leadership are…

> If everyone is getting the same annoying ad (in both wallet and App Store)

Not everyone is. I’m in the EU and did not get it. I wouldn’t be surprised if this was only in the US.

> then what individual user tracking or surveillance is happening?

That’s not at all what most people (including this article) are complaining about. It’s about an ad in an app which should never ever ever have them, the targeting is really low on the list of priorities compared to the rest.

> it’s clear they didn’t learn their lesson from U2.

The two cases are nothing alike. They both involved Apple and backlash, and that’s where the similarities end.

> But I don’t jump to the conclusion that “Apple is spying on me”.

Again, that’s not the major issue most people are complaining about.

Re: More on Apple's Trust-Eroding 'F1 the Movie' Wallet Ad

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Apple without Ive and Jobs increasingly has a taste problem. Everything from their ads to things like this are just in really poor taste, and aren’t something that they would have done 15 years ago because they would have thought it was beneath their brand. I like Apple, so I’m really hoping they bring on someone to solve this. Otherwise they’re on track to be the same as every other tasteless tech company. More on t…

Jobs has been gone for almost 15 years. From what I know Ive had nothing to do with anything but design aesthetic. I am not sure either of these people have anything to do with ads on Apple Wallet. Or even Apple Wallet…

> I know Ive had nothing to do with

Ok you haven’t but what about Ive?

Re: More on Apple's Trust-Eroding 'F1 the Movie' Wallet Ad

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Jobs has been gone for almost 15 years. From what I know Ive had nothing to do with anything but design aesthetic. I am not sure either of these people have anything to do with ads on Apple Wallet. Or even Apple Wallet…

The entire reason Apple made devices that were a level above competitors is because the design wasn’t just the aesthetic. Ive was chief designer and so obviously had a key impact.

How do you know Ive had a key impact? Do you know it or read somewhere online?
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